[Unknown Doodl3.2]

Originally Posted by playstopause

Their boss was in the building: it helps doing a good job. The boss should always be there.

oh really? Interesting... you think maybe the fact that they were 2 veteran refs might have anything to do with it also?

[Popsyche]

Shit! I was practicing with my band and missed all that playoff hockey goodness!

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Originally Posted by technomancer

Flyers played a damn good game tonight and deserved the win. With that said the Philly broadcasters are absolutely fucking horrible. Guys, you're broadcasters, try to sound like it instead of like some Philly fans in a bar

Honestly I think what happened (I rewatched it a few times) on the Ovechkin play is it really looked like he lost the edge on his skate and did twist his leg on the way down. There really shouldn't have been ANY call on the play on that one though, as the contact was incidental, it was trying to dodge that put Ovechkin on his ass not the minor skate to skate contact.

The goal went off of Biron's glove, not the Caps stick. Again, I rewatched it a few times (and I loved that the commentators skipped about six camera angles that are available when they were showing replays). The downshot camera angle they showed once then quickly moved passed showed it bouncing off the very edge of Biron's glove

The Huet Briere thing should have actually probably been an unsportsmanlike call and roughing call on Briere for kicking the stick away and the headshot and a roughing call on Huet for the shove. You guys got lucky on that one.

Philly outplayed the Caps, period. But let's not throw bullshit around

Our announcers are clowns. It's hilarious listening to them. Especially Steve Coates! But I kinda enjoy their talks at some points.

Incidental contact or not, I agree that there should not have been a call. It's not like it was done intentionally.

I beg to differ about that goal though. The high stick that was in the air near Biron's glove and was hit by the puck. You can tell because the head of the stick goes from an upright (pretty much) 90 degree angle (pointed at the ceiling) to pointed toward Biron and the ice when the puck came into that area. I don't think the Cap moved his stick that way, I believe it came in contact with his stick. Maybe I missed an angle Either way, it was a goal and they still lost. So yay!

The Huet/Briere thing was called correctly. Concurrent minors for each. Briere was CLEARLY shoved on top of Huet by Huet's own defenseman. That's not Briere's fault. Then Huet gets all pissed off at Briere and holds him to the ice, which I understand, but is still wrong. Huet needs to tell his own guys to cut the shit and keep him from getting steam rolled. Briere accidentally hit Huet's stick trying to get back up from the ice. Huet got pissed again, messed with Briere, and Briere countered with a nice nudge to his helmet. Of course I'm a Flyers fan, but I really side with Briere on this. I think that whole thing happened mainly because their defenders keep shoving Flyers forwards on top of their goalie, trying to draw a penalty (which at that point in the game, they really needed).

I'm not throwing bullshit around, just an opinion about the game. From the camera angles I saw, and knowing hockey from playing it for 7 years, I make certain judgments. I don't think its bullshit for calling Huet out for his defenders' mistakes. I also think Ovechkin has been getting owned by the Flyers defense. It would be bullshit if I started throwing things out like the Capitals shouldn't be scoring any goals, they suck, etc etc etc. They're a good team and they're simply getting beat, straight up. If anything, I'm complaining about the refs, not so much the Caps. And we all know refs need bullshit thrown at them sometimes.

Originally Posted by Unknown Doodl3.2

This coming from a fan of the eastern conference's most favored team as far as reffing is concerned For a team that has a lot of finesse players you guys definitely don't always resort to a finesse game and refs let a lot of shit go because Pittsburg has lots of star players on their team. It's not a critique, its just fact that the NHL's reffing favors the stars and superstars. It's a constant around the league right now, though. That said, I don't think the Flyers should have gotten that penalty shot. He clearly got a decent shot on net (unless there's something I must be missing) and therefore doesn't warrant a penalty shot.

Speaking of which, tonight's game with Habs vs. Boston had the best reffing I've seen in a while. There were a few plays that were limit and could have been called on both sides but Massenhoven and the other guy knew how and when to let the play develop and the match to go on. Kudos to them



I missed a good part of the game, so my comments can only be based on the last two games (which I saw), and all I can say is LOL. The Flyers definitely played superior hockey and deserved the win tonight, but its common knowledge that they are one if not the roughest team in the NHL. It gets annoying for any goaltender to play against the Flyers especially when you add the fact that they can actually score goals, so I don't necessarily blame Huet for his frustration, especially since he's been very mediocre at best of the last two games and should have stopped a good percentage of the goals he's allowed. I know, I had to put up with him for 2 years. He's a very up and down type of player, one game he shines and the next he's like suisse cheese... he's got holes all over the place

I wasn't sure if the penalty shot was necessary or not either. I can tell you that at least a minor was in order for what happened to Richards on that play. He got a flubbed shot on net, and that was after the whistle had blown. So maybe they didn't bother themselves with distinguishing his shot as a "scoring chance". I dunno. Refs are weird. They definitely do favor the stars and in this series, they've been favoring sending Briere to the box.

The Flyers are definitely, like you said, one of the roughest, if not the roughest team in the league. I do understand why Huet is getting frustrated, but most of that frustration needs to be aimed at his defense. When I used to get steam rolled in my junior hockey days, I screamed at my defense and told them to get their shit together and play some real D. That's what he needs to do. He needs to talk to them before Thursday night's game and tell them if they don't straighten themselves out and play head on D with the Flyers, the same shit is going to keep happening. Not just as far as hits go, but the scoring as well. Not only is Huet looking like swiss cheese, but so is the Caps D. The Caps are a bigger team physically than the Flyers. There's NO reason why they can't play more physical defense and try to put them in their place. That being said, the Flyers seem to have more speed overall than the Caps. It's been an interesting match up, but all in all, the Flyers have just looked flat out better this series. I sure hope it stays that way.

[playstopause]

Originally Posted by Unknown Doodl3.2

oh really? Interesting... you think maybe the fact that they were 2 veteran refs might have anything to do with it also?

Probably. But "big brother" watching them was probably the main reason. There's so much criticism goin' on with the referees, they probably wanted to shut down some of it.

[Popsyche]

^ Yeah! What he said!

Except about Coatsie. He has had too many pucks to the head while playing without a helmet.

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Originally Posted by Popsyche

^ Yeah! What he said!

Except about Coatsie. He has had too many pucks to the head while playing without a helmet.

No joke there! That's why he's the (almost) on ice correspondent! The other guys don't want to compromise their brains, so they send out the damaged goods into the danger zone!

[technomancer]

Originally Posted by Unknown Doodl3.2

This coming from a fan of the eastern conference's most favored team as far as reffing is concerned

Ummm yeah, right You need to actually attend some games and/or watch more than highlights. Malkin and Crosby average being tripped, slashed, and crosschecked AT LEAST twice a game with no calls. The last playoff game I was at (in person, about 15' from where it was occurring) Malkin was tripped twice on breakaways and slashed once badly enough that he had to leave the ice to get his hand checked out with no penalty calls. Including a play literally identical to the one that awarded a penalty shot last night. But because it was Briere hasn't shown he can score sliding on his ass with an opposing defenseman sitting on his shoulder, he got a call instead of a ref looking at him and shrugging. The 'stars' are getting the shit beat out of them on a regular basis and the refs are doing nothing about it. It's gotten a little better this season, but not by much.

Honestly though the refs make no sense to me this season at all. They've let completely brutal shots go and ignored them, yet made calls on some of the softest stuff imaginable (like hooking calls where the stick never even touched the player) and that's been all around the league.

Originally Posted by B Lopez

Hey, they won today.

I'd be down for a Pens/Sharks finals

My psychic powers failed me Congrats on the win

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Originally Posted by technomancer

But because it was Briere, a non superstar player, he got a call instead of a ref looking at him and shrugging his shoulders. The 'stars' are getting the shit beat out of them on a regular basis and the refs are doing nothing about it. It's gotten a little better this season, but not by much.

Honestly though the refs make no sense to me this season at all. They've let completely brutal shots go and ignored them, yet made calls on some of the softest stuff imaginable (like hooking calls where the stick never even touched the player) and that's been all around the league.



My psychic powers failed me Congrats on the win

That was Richards who got the penalty shot. And Briere's not a star? He's leading the Stanley Cup playoffs with most goals right now.

I agree. The refs let a TON of things go. For instance, last night in the Flyers/Caps series, Timonen got NAILED from behind a good 5 seconds, maybe more, after the whistle had blown. He was hit from behind, into the net, and his arm hit one of the in net cameras really hard. He was out the rest of the night. NO CALL! I was infuriated!!!! But, in general, the refs definitely suck.

And yeah, go Sharks! It's cool to see them do well

[playstopause]

Originally Posted by technomancer

Honestly though the refs make no sense to me this season at all. They've let completely brutal shots go and ignored them, yet made calls on some of the softest stuff imaginable (like hooking calls where the stick never even touched the player) and that's been all around the league.

So true. When the hell are they going to fix this?!?

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Originally Posted by playstopause

So true. When the hell are they going to fix this?!?

When they fire all of the current referees and hire us!!!



So, never.