The Official Pro-Wrestling Thread

Randy · 04-18-2011, 05:38 PM

All things pro-wrestling go here.

I know WWE's fallen out of favor with a lot of traditional wrestling fans, but big news lately was that Edge retired and he did it here in Albany. The farewell stuff was pretty touching, so now seemed as good a time as any to post it.

After they went off the air and he drops character:

CooleyJr · 04-18-2011, 05:40 PM

I had no idea that Edge left! That's pretty damn surprising man.

Randy · 04-18-2011, 05:44 PM

Yes sir. Made me kinda sad because he was a favorite of mine when I was younger, but he had a legit dangerous neck problem and they couldn't clear him to wrestle anymore.

CooleyJr · 04-18-2011, 05:46 PM

Oh shit, I had no idea..

He was a favorite of mine as well. Last year I was enjoying the wars between Edge/Orton and HHH/Michaels. Watching Edge wrestle, you'd never know he had a neck problem that serious.

Rick · 04-18-2011, 06:31 PM

Very sad to see Edge leave but definitely the better way.

I prefer TNA myself, but I grew up watching Sting so take that for what it's worth.

Bloody_Inferno · 04-18-2011, 07:02 PM

I remember watching Edge's debut match in 98. It was awesome to see him go the distance over the years. So it's quite that he had to retire under those circumstances.

Randy · 04-19-2011, 12:19 PM

Wasn't his original storyline that he was a roadie for Motley Crue during their first reunion thing?

Triple-J · 04-19-2011, 01:01 PM

I'm not sure why but I've never been a fan of Edge really although I do respect him hanging it up instead of carrying on while injured and putting in sub par performances for the rest of his career but didn't Shawn Michaels retire back in the 90's under similar conditions?

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Wasn't his original storyline that he was a roadie for Motley Crue during their first reunion thing?

IIRC that was Test whereas Edge and his "brother" Christian were originally part of some type of vampire clan with Gangrel (remember him?)

synrgy · 04-19-2011, 02:25 PM

Good call on the Gangrel/'Brood' angle.

I haven't watched this stuff in years, really. I grew up with it, but my last good run with it was during the WCW/WWE wars with the NWO angles and the Steve Austin/Rock feuds. I was definitely stoked recently to see the Rock return, though, and I'm also sad to see Edge's career come to a rather abrupt end like this.

I remember all too well how epic those tag matches between Edge/Christian & the Hardy Boys were back then. Some of the best matches I've ever seen, really. Right up there with the great feuds like Jericho/Malenko, Austin/Rock, Bret Hart/Mr Perfect, Undertaker/Mankind and so on.

I've recently been getting back into it a little; They put a bunch of WWE home video stuff on Netflix Instant View. It started as I re-visited that documentary about the Bret Hart incident called Wrestling With Shadows. Since then, it's been kinda like a little stroll down memory lane, watching the History of Wrestlemania and the Top 50 Superstars of All Time.

Speaking of which, am I alone in being completely bewildered by the amount of love Shawn Michaels gets within the industry? WHY?!?! The Rockers sucked ass, and Shawn was never any good as a singles wrestler either. I always thought he was boring in the ring, and even worse on the microphone. In that 'Top 50 Superstars' thing, he was ranked #1. Of all time. Above Hogan. Above Flair. Above the Rock. Above HHH. Above Sammartino, Steamboat, Jimmy Snuka, Undertaker, and on and on.. I know that favorites are subject to opinion, but I feel like Michaels was in no way even remotely on the same level as all of the others I just mentioned, not to mention the hundreds of greats I didn't mention.

Sorry for the rant, but looking forward to watching this thread unfold.

Konfyouzd · 04-19-2011, 02:35 PM

R Truth... Evil now? I think I like him more already. The rapping thing was uhh...

Randy · 04-19-2011, 03:21 PM

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R Truth... Evil now? I think I like him more already. The rapping thing was uhh...

Plus, if I'm not mistaken, the actual version of his theme song has the n' bomb in it 1,000 times.

Randy · 04-19-2011, 03:25 PM

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Speaking of which, am I alone in being completely bewildered by the amount of love Shawn Michaels gets within the industry? WHY?!?! The Rockers sucked ass, and Shawn was never any good as a singles wrestler either. I always thought he was boring in the ring, and even worse on the microphone. In that 'Top 50 Superstars' thing, he was ranked #1. Of all time. Above Hogan. Above Flair. Above the Rock. Above HHH. Above Sammartino, Steamboat, Jimmy Snuka, Undertaker, and on and on.. I know that favorites are subject to opinion, but I feel like Michaels was in no way even remotely on the same level as all of the others I just mentioned, not to mention the hundreds of greats I didn't mention.

I think that mostly had to do with the longevity of his career and the fact he stayed agile and in great shape all the way to the end. I was never a big fan of his persona or his moves overall, but he played taking a hit really well and took the business end of quite a few high risk moves over his career.

Also, Shawn Michaels vs Razor Ramon for the Intercontinental Champion in a ladder match at Wrestlemania X.

That's wrestling history right there.

synrgy · 04-19-2011, 03:30 PM

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Also, Shawn Michaels vs Razor Ramon for the Intercontinental Champion in a ladder match at Wrestlemania X.

That's wrestling history right there.

Shit. You've totally got me there. I actually forgot about that match.

I take back *most* of what I said. I still don't understand the level of acclaim he gets (best of ALL TIME?!) but that match was ....ing EPIC and by itself worth a spot on the top 50.

Bloody_Inferno · 04-19-2011, 08:45 PM

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I think that mostly had to do with the longevity of his career and the fact he stayed agile and in great shape all the way to the end. I was never a big fan of his persona or his moves overall, but he played taking a hit really well and took the business end of quite a few high risk moves over his career.

Also, Shawn Michaels vs Razor Ramon for the Intercontinental Champion in a ladder match at Wrestlemania X.

That's wrestling history right there.

Agreed. He was just one that developed over the years. Once he got D-Generation X going, there was no stopping. And there was some great matches he did with Ken Shamrock and The Undertaker during that time too.

synrgy · 04-20-2011, 10:48 AM

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And there was some great matches he did with Ken Shamrock

IMHO, Ken Shamrock never once put on a good match. Other wrestlers may have carried his dead-weight to a decent performance once or twice, but that wasn't his doing.

Totally unrelated, I was doing some reading yesterday and found out that Mr Perfect's son (and daughter, apparently) are both currently in the biz. I'm surprised they don't play up the connection more. "McGillicutty" is a far cry from "Henning". I know Curt's death was one of many black eyes for the business, but you'd think the son of a legend would want people to know he was the son of a legend..

Unrelated again, I love that I'm old enough to remember some not-so-famous character runs from guys who later become VERY famous with different character runs.

Exhibit A:

Exhibit B:

Randy · 04-20-2011, 11:48 AM

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Totally unrelated, I was doing some reading yesterday and found out that Mr Perfect's son (and daughter, apparently) are both currently in the biz. I'm surprised they don't play up the connection more. "McGillicutty" is a far cry from "Henning". I know Curt's death was one of many black eyes for the business, but you'd think the son of a legend would want people to know he was the son of a legend..

Yeah, he was on that turd of a replacement for ECW that Vince put out called NXT which was supposed to be his version of American Idol (AKA shot live, unlike Tough Enough). McGillicutty did tap into his dad's reputation a little throughout that series and he was good in the way his old man was (wrestling style) but he didn't have the physique and the persona to keep up.

+1 for an Isaac Yankem reference.

JBL is another example of a dude that totally 180'd.

Triple-J · 04-20-2011, 12:47 PM

I think Hennig's kids may have wanted to avoid using the family name as the whole 2nd/3rd/etc generation superstar thing has become an incredibly overused gimmick especially in the WWF.

As for the pics I vaguely remember Isaac Yankem but I definitely remember "Stunning" Steve Austin in the Hollywood Blondes (I'm a big fan of early 90's WCW) and the legend that is Paulie Dangerously but has anyone noticed that "Stunning" Steve Austin when he was slimmer and had hair looks a bit like Chris Jericho?

synrgy · 04-20-2011, 01:09 PM

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As for the pics I vaguely remember Isaac Yankem

You might know him better as Kane.

Hollowman · 04-20-2011, 08:44 PM

My favorite and probably the greatest "big" man 6'5" 450lbs and toughest men to ever wrestle.

After him.

And by far the most entertaining IMO.

But the last time I watched wrestling was 2003. so, I have no clue what is going on, I know that I don't care for the WWE though.

Randy · 04-21-2011, 07:33 AM

Vader

EDIT: Speaking of which, this dude always reminded me of him:

http://capcom.wikia.com/wiki/Alexander_The_Grater

synrgy · 04-21-2011, 08:47 AM

@ Goldberg. He's another one I never understood the popularity of. He had 2 moves: Suplex + Spear. That was it.

ZOMB13 · 04-21-2011, 10:22 AM

+1 on Vader, he was a MONSTER in Japan, extremely underused in WWF.

TNA is a hit and miss with me, they will have a good match once in a while and terrible matches/programming all the time.

Can't say I'm a fan of WWE anymore, specially now since they are cutting any ties to the word "wrestling" and very PG programming. I do watch Tough Enough and every Sin Cara match though

I miss the 90s era of puroresu, Heyman's ECW and the monday night wars, made wrestling interesting and competitive..

Triple-J · 04-21-2011, 12:22 PM

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Vader

EDIT: Speaking of which, this dude always reminded me of him:

Alexander The Grater - Capcom Database - Capcom Wiki, Marvel vs Capcom, Street Fighter, Darkstalkers and more

Vader also inspired characters in various 90's beat'em ups and Raiden/Big Bear in the Fatal Fury/King of Fighters series too but Slam Masters was awesome though and Capcom really need to get off their ass and hire AKI to revamp it as they've successfully revived a lot of other titles recently plus there's no decent wrestling games anymore and the genre really needs a shake up.

Even though I hate big guys in wrestling cause they are often overweight and have zero wrestling skills apart being able to pull off a chokeslam Vader is one of my favourites him Bam Bam Bigelow(especially his ECW era!) and Mike Awesome really set a standard that even now hasn't been matched and it's crazy that people think Rey Mysterio doing a top rope moonsault is impressive now cause all three of those guys could pull it off perfectly and they were over 6'3 and 300+ pounds.

synrgy · 04-21-2011, 02:08 PM

Bam Bam was a beast. It's a shame WWF/E never really knew what to do with him.

For the bigger guys, when I was younger I liked the Undertaker a lot. I remember his introduction and first several matches he wrestled in for the WWF/E. The first time I saw him do that thing where he walks across the top rope I recall being pretty floored by it. The feud he had with Mankind/Mick Foley was one of my all time favorites. That HITC match they had where Taker threw Mick off the top of the cage down onto the announcing table?

Some time shortly after that, I lost interest. Right around the time they started the Kane angle, I just felt that Taker's in-ring performance was clearly past its peak, and then when they started screwing with his character and had him coming out to the ring on a motorcycle to Limp Bizkit's "Rollin'", I just didn't want to watch the guy at all any more.

When I was really little, Hulk Hogan was like a God. It's funny because now that I'm older, when I go back and try to watch his old matches -- let alone the last decade or so -- I find that he was never a good wrestler; He just had charisma to spare. Still, I was a Hulkamaniac back in the day, for sure. I guess it started to waver when he lost to the Ultimate Warrior at Wrestlemania VI, and while he was still my favorite through the feud with Sgt. Slaughter, by the time he moved over to WCW I didn't want to see him any more. I was mortified when he joined NWO because I really enjoyed Hall & Nash and I knew he was going to change the whole dynamic up, which he did.

This is pretty much my new favorite thread. I hope more people start jumping in.

Rick · 04-21-2011, 10:12 PM

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@ Goldberg. He's another one I never understood the popularity of. He had 2 moves: Suplex + Spear. That was it.

That's all he ever needed.

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Randy DAN OUDA DAN • Super Moderator • Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The Electric City, NY Posts: 16,007 Thanked: 166 Feedback Score: 12 reviews	Wasn't his original storyline that he was a roadie for Motley Crue during their first reunion thing? "Can we pull back the veil of static and reach in to the source of all being? Behind this curtain of patterns, this random pattern generator. So clever. Right here in every home, watching us from a one-sided mirror." Argbadh - RHLC©

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synrgy Iraq Lobster. Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 5,619 Thanked: 65 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Good call on the Gangrel/'Brood' angle. I haven't watched this stuff in years, really. I grew up with it, but my last good run with it was during the WCW/WWE wars with the NWO angles and the Steve Austin/Rock feuds. I was definitely stoked recently to see the Rock return, though, and I'm also sad to see Edge's career come to a rather abrupt end like this. I remember all too well how epic those tag matches between Edge/Christian & the Hardy Boys were back then. Some of the best matches I've ever seen, really. Right up there with the great feuds like Jericho/Malenko, Austin/Rock, Bret Hart/Mr Perfect, Undertaker/Mankind and so on. I've recently been getting back into it a little; They put a bunch of WWE home video stuff on Netflix Instant View. It started as I re-visited that documentary about the Bret Hart incident called Wrestling With Shadows. Since then, it's been kinda like a little stroll down memory lane, watching the History of Wrestlemania and the Top 50 Superstars of All Time. Speaking of which, am I alone in being completely bewildered by the amount of love Shawn Michaels gets within the industry? WHY?!?! The Rockers sucked ass, and Shawn was never any good as a singles wrestler either. I always thought he was boring in the ring, and even worse on the microphone. In that 'Top 50 Superstars' thing, he was ranked #1. Of all time. Above Hogan. Above Flair. Above the Rock. Above HHH. Above Sammartino, Steamboat, Jimmy Snuka, Undertaker, and on and on.. I know that favorites are subject to opinion, but I feel like Michaels was in no way even remotely on the same level as all of the others I just mentioned, not to mention the hundreds of greats I didn't mention. Sorry for the rant, but looking forward to watching this thread unfold. Randy and BigPhi84 like this. ___________________________________________ The best thread I'll ever post Guitar Tunes Electronic Work Hobbits are a Tolkein minority.

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Triple-J the Experimetalist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: the rain soaked post industrial wasteland known as Manchester, England Posts: 1,666 Thanked: 33 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think Hennig's kids may have wanted to avoid using the family name as the whole 2nd/3rd/etc generation superstar thing has become an incredibly overused gimmick especially in the WWF. As for the pics I vaguely remember Isaac Yankem but I definitely remember "Stunning" Steve Austin in the Hollywood Blondes (I'm a big fan of early 90's WCW) and the legend that is Paulie Dangerously but has anyone noticed that "Stunning" Steve Austin when he was slimmer and had hair looks a bit like Chris Jericho? "I know for a fact that Kurt Cobain never had a problem with Def Leppard, the problem he had was with the other 99 bands that sounded exactly like us" - Joe Elliott "That's the thing about metal, some fans think one band is great and another is just shit while a "normal" person can't tell the difference" - Neil Young

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Randy DAN OUDA DAN • Super Moderator • Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The Electric City, NY Posts: 16,007 Thanked: 166 Feedback Score: 12 reviews	Vader EDIT: Speaking of which, this dude always reminded me of him: http://capcom.wikia.com/wiki/Alexander_The_Grater Hollowman likes this. "Can we pull back the veil of static and reach in to the source of all being? Behind this curtain of patterns, this random pattern generator. So clever. Right here in every home, watching us from a one-sided mirror." Argbadh - RHLC©

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synrgy Iraq Lobster. Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 5,619 Thanked: 65 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	@ Goldberg. He's another one I never understood the popularity of. He had 2 moves: Suplex + Spear. That was it. Triple-J likes this. ___________________________________________ The best thread I'll ever post Guitar Tunes Electronic Work Hobbits are a Tolkein minority.

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ZOMB13 SS.org Zombie ! Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 3,400 Thanked: 59 Feedback Score: 22 reviews	+1 on Vader, he was a MONSTER in Japan, extremely underused in WWF. TNA is a hit and miss with me, they will have a good match once in a while and terrible matches/programming all the time. Can't say I'm a fan of WWE anymore, specially now since they are cutting any ties to the word "wrestling" and very PG programming. I do watch Tough Enough and every Sin Cara match though I miss the 90s era of puroresu, Heyman's ECW and the monday night wars, made wrestling interesting and competitive.. Randy likes this.

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synrgy Iraq Lobster. Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 5,619 Thanked: 65 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Bam Bam was a beast. It's a shame WWF/E never really knew what to do with him. For the bigger guys, when I was younger I liked the Undertaker a lot. I remember his introduction and first several matches he wrestled in for the WWF/E. The first time I saw him do that thing where he walks across the top rope I recall being pretty floored by it. The feud he had with Mankind/Mick Foley was one of my all time favorites. That HITC match they had where Taker threw Mick off the top of the cage down onto the announcing table? Some time shortly after that, I lost interest. Right around the time they started the Kane angle, I just felt that Taker's in-ring performance was clearly past its peak, and then when they started screwing with his character and had him coming out to the ring on a motorcycle to Limp Bizkit's "Rollin'", I just didn't want to watch the guy at all any more. When I was really little, Hulk Hogan was like a God. It's funny because now that I'm older, when I go back and try to watch his old matches -- let alone the last decade or so -- I find that he was never a good wrestler; He just had charisma to spare. Still, I was a Hulkamaniac back in the day, for sure. I guess it started to waver when he lost to the Ultimate Warrior at Wrestlemania VI, and while he was still my favorite through the feud with Sgt. Slaughter, by the time he moved over to WCW I didn't want to see him any more. I was mortified when he joined NWO because I really enjoyed Hall & Nash and I knew he was going to change the whole dynamic up, which he did. This is pretty much my new favorite thread. I hope more people start jumping in. ___________________________________________ The best thread I'll ever post Guitar Tunes Electronic Work Hobbits are a Tolkein minority.

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