The Official Pro-Wrestling Thread

[Rick]

I heard the "Albert" chants, cracked me up.

[AntoneBigsby]

i've been watching wrestling pretty much my whole life and still never been to a live show i almost went to wrestlemania X-7, wrestlemania XXV and Bad blood and everytime something came up, i hope ill be able to go one day

[ZOMB13]

Glad to know you had a good time! it's always fun to go.

Originally Posted by synrgy

10% wrestling, and 90% "other".

That is my biggest gripe about WWE :/

Good thing I also watch Puroresu and Lucha Libre, where it's 98% wrestling and 2% other.

[morrowcosom]

IMO as far as the other, it can be very entertaining, but no one does it as well as past wrestlers did.

There is not a wrestler today that has the charisma and presence of the Rock or Stone Cold's bootlaces. These guys made people watch wrestling that did not even give a shit about it.

When I saw the Rock's "comeback" stint, it made me remember just how lame showmen all the current wrestler's are. It actually gave me goosebumps when he got in the ring and talked his shit.

As far as another entertainment spectacle (not so much a showstopper as those above), I really miss Goldust and his gay/weird angle.

[soliloquy]

/\ i have to say, the rock coming back was a bit disappointment. i admit i never liked the rock as he got annoying. but i respected him for his energy. however, when he came back, all his stuff just sounded too dated and weak comparing to cena.

cena, another guy i hate, but one has to admit that the war of the words, cena was winning hands down.

though, i also admit that attitude era was far better than any other era wwe/wwf/wcw ever went through.








on a different note, VOTE FOR BRET HART TO BE INDUCTED INTO THE CANADIAN HALL OF FAME! currently there are no wrestlers in the hall of fame, and canada has a lot of top wrestlers that should be in the hall of fame, but aren't (such as trish stratus, and numerous others). but let bret hart be the ice breaker for this. and its not just his fame, but his charity work he does

to vote, go here. you can vote once a day up until the 30th of april
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[soliloquy]

also...how long do you guys think brock will last in wwe? his contract is 1 year, and to expire at wrestle mania. however, he has a LOT of pride issues. i'm not sure if that punch on cena that got him bloodied was scripted or not. but if it wasn't, i highly doubt WWE would continue with brock for too long. i'm assuming they'd get rid of him in a few months

[synrgy]

So I'm watching Raw tonight, and for the 2nd or 3rd time since he's been back, I've seen Chris Jericho do the Lion Tamer:



Notice it's the legitimate Lion Tamer, where he jams his knee into the back of his opponent's head.

The announce team clearly and without hesitation called this move "The Walls of Jericho".

Here's the problem, and I think I've brought this up once before.. There's this other move he does, which is basically a half-assed Boston Crab:



The announce team also calls that move "The Walls of Jericho", every time, without fail.

Now that we've cleared up what I'm talking about, please, someone tell me: How are two blatantly different moves the same move?

[Rick]

The fact that you've analyzed this cracks me up.

[Triple-J]

Originally Posted by synrgy

So I'm watching Raw tonight, and for the 2nd or 3rd time since he's been back, I've seen Chris Jericho do the Lion Tamer:



Notice it's the legitimate Lion Tamer, where he jams his knee into the back of his opponent's head.

The announce team clearly and without hesitation called this move "The Walls of Jericho".

Here's the problem, and I think I've brought this up once before.. There's this other move he does, which is basically a half-assed Boston Crab:



The announce team also calls that move "The Walls of Jericho", every time, without fail.

Now that we've cleared up what I'm talking about, please, someone tell me: How are two blatantly different moves the same move?

We've also got Albert/A-Train/Whatever renaming himself Lord Tensai dressing up like Shredder and pretending he's half Japanese which is just as ridiculous but I think your post highlights the fact that commentators today don't know the names of the moves being performed in the ring and they don't really care either because they think that the audience is so dumb they won't notice.

[synrgy]

Originally Posted by Rick

The fact that you've analyzed this cracks me up.

It's just one of those things.

[synrgy]

Originally Posted by Triple-J

the fact that commentators today don't know the names of the moves being performed in the ring

One of many reasons I miss JR. Not to mention Mike Tenay from WCW, who at least knew the names of pretty much every move ever performed, even if he had no charisma whatsoever.

[Randy]

[Rick]

^That's awesome.

[Triple-J]

Originally Posted by synrgy

One of many reasons I miss JR. Not to mention Mike Tenay from WCW, who at least knew the names of pretty much every move ever performed, even if he had no charisma whatsoever.

I do miss JR but I always found the fact that he'd get matched with Jerry Lawler annoying cause Lawler just played the stereotypical "asshole colour commentator" role that we've seen a million times before in the WWF/E.

Personally I think Joey Styles and Joel Gertner during the original ECW were a good commentary team as Joey knew his stuff but always managed to drop in some very well timed humour while Gertner was a colour commentator who actually managed to be funny and didn't come off as irritating.

[soliloquy]

Originally Posted by synrgy

So I'm watching Raw tonight, and for the 2nd or 3rd time since he's been back, I've seen Chris Jericho do the Lion Tamer:



Notice it's the legitimate Lion Tamer, where he jams his knee into the back of his opponent's head.

The announce team clearly and without hesitation called this move "The Walls of Jericho".

Here's the problem, and I think I've brought this up once before.. There's this other move he does, which is basically a half-assed Boston Crab:



The announce team also calls that move "The Walls of Jericho", every time, without fail.

Now that we've cleared up what I'm talking about, please, someone tell me: How are two blatantly different moves the same move?

actually, they are right, and jericho isn't.
when he was in the WCW, jericho often used that move in the wcw called the lion tamer.
he comes to wwf/wwe, and was still using that move for the first few years, but now calling it the 'walls of jericho'.
later on, jericho altered that move and placed the entire weight on the victims neck/face while placing the knee on their back (so instead of hurting their legs and back, now they turn their neck/spine.)

and recently, y2j altered it again and made it into a boston crab while still calling it walls of jericho...

its the same thing as the wrestler Raven calling his special 'ravens effect' when its actually just a DDT.

[Ninetyfour]

Originally Posted by soliloquy

its the same thing as the wrestler Raven calling his special 'ravens effect' when its actually just a DDT.

Same with the Yes Lock, which is just a LeBell Lock, which is just a Crossface

[soliloquy]

Originally Posted by Ninetyfour

Same with the Yes Lock, which is just a LeBell Lock, which is just a Crossface

yes and no. the cross face that chris benoit (oh i miss that guy!) used was MUCH different than the one that is seen as the 'yes/lebell lock'. main difference is that the cross face had the extended arm straight, so most of the pressure was put on your shoulder and neck/face/spine. but the lebell/yes lock takes that a few steps further by contorting the arm so now your shoulder, tricep, bicep, arm, neck/face/spine are all being effected all at once.

[mattofvengeance]

And that jabroni's name...



that is correct...it does not MATTER what his name is.

[soliloquy]

i thought this was hilarious. cm punk keeps getting better day by day

[mattofvengeance]

Honestly, CM Punk has become somewhat of a stale, whiny bitch. I still like the guy a whole lot. He's one of the best in ring performers in the Double Double E right now, and without a doubt one of the best (if not THE best on the mic), but his Straight Edge Society days, feud with Jeff Hardy, and the Summer of Punk angle last year, he was drastically better than he is now. Hell, even his feud with Randy Orton going into Wrestlemania last year was better. IMO he's a far superior heel than he is a face. Again, I can't stress enough how much I like the guy. I would absolutely LOVE if he would feud with Dolph, but they're much too busy jobbing him out to the Fatassauras.

[synrgy]

Ziggler's time will come. Some of you may remember a time when guys like Michaels and HHH jobbed to everybody.

I think they're struggling to keep anything going, at all. I don't know why, either. They're still giving all their prime time to Cena, and using title feuds as filler/fluff. That seems back-asswards, to me..

Also:

[Rick]

^That's messed up.

[mattofvengeance]

Originally Posted by synrgy

Ziggler's time will come. Some of you may remember a time when guys like Michaels and HHH jobbed to everybody.

I think they're struggling to keep anything going, at all. I don't know why, either. They're still giving all their prime time to Cena, and using title feuds as filler/fluff. That seems back-asswards, to me..

This. They've done a mindnumbingly good job ignoring the title picture while keeping Cena in the limelight. I don't remember Shawn Michaels doing this level of jobbing, at least not the cocky, pre "I lost my smile" Heartbreak Kid. Back then, he really only dropped the belts to his friends, Nash, HHH, etc. Certainly when he came back and wasn't such a cocky little asshole, he excelled at putting people over. I guess the real problem lies with the WWE's lack of building stars for the future and people not really separating themselves from the herd. I just really miss the days of kayfabe and the mystique surrounding professional wrestling, back when it was more of a spectacle.

[synrgy]

The internet/dirt-sheets kind of screwed kayfabe up. These days, my understanding is that Vinnie-Mac (who's arguably too old now to be as intimately involved as he is) infamously changes plans for almost every single match/angle at the last possible second, simply because he's obsessed with proving dirt-sheets wrong. It's kind of sad that he seems so willing to sacrifice a great angle, just to stick it to the net.

[mattofvengeance]

Dirt sheets are definitely a huge part of the problem. Unfortunately, Vince has lost sight of what really made the WWE groundbreaking and popular. My hopes is that Trips can help restore some of that, and that is big nose isn't *too* far up Vinnie Mac's ass.