[Azyiu]

D'Antoni is now the next Knicks coach.

ESPN - Knicks' Walsh wooed D'Antoni with love and money, as Bulls lost out - NBA

He got a reportedly 4 years $24M deal from the Knicks. Hey, Blackcock, what did I say? $6M is about the right price for him, and Paxson low ball him.

[heavyjeffd]

Celtics/Cavs game was good tonight, fun game to watch.

Knicks and D'Antoni.. hrm. Who's the winner there?

[Azyiu]

Originally Posted by heavyjeffd

Knicks and D'Antoni.. hrm. Who's the winner there?

I'd say it is a gamble worth taking for the Knicks, and NY is a very good place for D'Antoni to show people that he can coach. Let's just say the Bulls missed out on this one.

[GH0STrider]

How did they miss out on him? 6 million is way to much for him, way to much. The knicks did what they usually do and overpayed and will get the same results. Like I said- the bulls have a team that could really work well with mike's system. However, he would have totally fucked up our defense that has been our meal ticket the past few season. If the bulls land avery johnson then they will be the winner. The knicks dude- all it shows is that mike believes more in money than he does in the game. He knows damn well he is going to lose like he has never lost before in ny. That roster is filled with losers that don't fit his system and won't even try. Just because he got overpayed doesn't mean eddy curry and zach randalph are going to actually run. Hahahahahaha. Azyiu- how is 5 mil low balling? It's a million less to coach a team that he could actually win with and have a future. What do you think the knicks will do to him when they keep losing? they will fire him and burry his reputation just like everyone else that came through there. Lenny wilkens could not get the knicks to win, larry brown could not get the knicks to win. Mike d. isn't even in the same breath as those guys. He won't get them to win either. All this signing proves is that the knicks are idiots who never learn their lessons and that mike d cares more about money than the game or his reputation. But hey I could have told you that. The guy basically shit on the suns because steve kerr reminded him that there is 2 ends of the floor. Fuck him- let me him go rack up the L's in new york. I put money on the fact that the bulls are back in the playoffs next year and the knicks win 20-30 games again. Lowballing? ha. dude, that was more than a reasonable offer. I admit he is one of the most creative offensive minds in the nba today- but what has that translated to? Nothing yet.

[Azyiu]

Actually according to everything I've read (yeah, sometimes I feel like I don't want a life ), the Bulls could've gotten him for just $4M per, and all Mike wanted or waited was a commitment from them along with a 4-year-deal. And the Bulls didn't want to sign him to a long term deal.

Well, but since you and I view D'Antoni differently, I rest my case.


It is just me, but I hate how the Lakers played in both game 3 & 4; and suddenly they are tie 2-2 with the Jazz.

[GH0STrider]

Originally Posted by Azyiu

Actually according to everything I've read (yeah, sometimes I feel like I don't want a life ), the Bulls could've gotten him for just $4M per, and all Mike wanted or waited was a commitment from them along with a 4-year-deal. And the Bulls didn't want to sign him to a long term deal.

There were no reports of a deal in place on chicago's end here. D'antoni was using the bulls and knicks as leverage to get a larger contract from one of them. Again, it was about money. Which has caused me to lose a lot of respect for him. I understand that this is a business but where is the passion? New york over chicago? c'mon... I can say I stand by pax on not jumping the gun and just signing him. Pax wanted to do this right and d'antoni was told pax wanted to view every possible candidate to see who might be the best fit. mike should have taken that as a sign of a team that is dedicated to winning and doing things right, as opposed to a team willing to just shell out a shit load of money without really researching other candidates. there is one thing that d'antoni is very foolish about and that is his lack of care for the defensive end. It is no secret that defense wins tittles- mike may want to look at his fingers and think long and hard why with his briliant offensive game he still has no ring despite coaching one of the most talented teams in the nba.

[Azyiu]

^ I view this whole thing a little differently.

Part of the reasons why D'Antoni wants to leave Phoenix is the fact that, he doesn't feel comfortable with a GM (Steve Kerr) putting his nose on almost everything he does or what not. While I understand as GM you need to be on the same page with the coach to get things done right, but if "too much" of that bugs D'Antoni, I think for him to head over to NY makes sense. For one thing, Walsh is not the type of boss like Kerr and definitely not like Paxson. He usually tells his coach what he expects and leaves him alone. On top of that, I read that Walsh promises he would do anything to get the "right" players for D'Antoni to work with. Hell, I don't see why heading to situation where you feel more comfortable with is a bad thing.

[GH0STrider]

Neither do I. The problem is that he refuses to change playing a style that will not produce results. That is the problem that kerr had as well as Paxon. You can't just expect to outscore your opponent every night. Good defensive team will shut you down. And when you are shut down and you can't defend- what happens? You get beat. And as far as walsh saying he will do anything to get the "right" players- good fucking luck trading the baggage on that team. You think anyone wants eddy curry right now? forget the outstanding back to the basket game he has- what about the laziness and out of shape body he is? Can you imagine how good he might be if was in shape enough to play 35-40 minutes? Or if he actually stopped being so fucking lazy and rebounded? Or zack randalph? Another really talented guy who won't play both ends of the floor and spends more time in court that he does on the court. Or jamal crawford - a.ka. Mr. I chuck up 30 shots a game and maybe make 10. Or how about marbury? just pay me 20 mil and i might play in 50 games and talk shit about the team and fuck up any chemsitry we might have. That roster is untouchable. Only a real fool would take on some of these players. They knicks would have to take back almost nothing in return to rid themselves of them. D'antoni is not a savior- if anything he will show how damn bad this team really is.

[Azyiu]

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

D'antoni is not a savior- if anything he will show how damn bad this team really is.

No doubt, if there is no change to that roster, NO ONE can improve their record and make any real improvement. That said, while I agreed the conventional thinking of defense wins championship, I also would love to take his approach a chance.

I mean, think back to the 2005 and 2006 Suns. In 2005 they were right there battling the Spurs to 6 games in the WCF, and then the same happened in 2006 against the Mavs... hell, they didn't even have Amare at all in 2006. I firmly believe if the Suns' management stayed patient and wouldn't given Joe Johnson away while keeping all of their first round picks; they would have made it by now, I firmly believe that!

As far as getting rid of those Knicks... well, if James Dolan is crazy enough to give Isiah Thomas a fat extension in 2007, don't be surprised when he throw a "Michael Corleone" and buying everyone out! Their goal is get under the cap by 2010 for a shot at LeBron, D-Wade, Bosh etc. I might be the only one on the planet to think this way, but something tells me LeBron would leave the Cavs to either the Nets or the Knicks in 2010.


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[GH0STrider]

Originally Posted by Azyiu

No doubt, if there is no change to that roster, NO ONE can improve their record and make any real improvement. That said, while I agreed the conventional thinking of defense wins championship, I also would love to take his approach a chance.

I mean, think back to the 2005 and 2006 Suns. In 2005 they were right there battling the Spurs to 6 games in the WCF, and then the same happened in 2006 against the Mavs... hell, they didn't even have Amare at all in 2006. I firmly believe if the Suns' management stayed patient and wouldn't given Joe Johnson away while keeping all of their first round picks; they would have made it by now, I firmly believe that!

As far as getting rid of those Knicks... well, if James Dolan is crazy enough to give Isiah Thomas a fat extension in 2007, don't be surprised when he throw a "Michael Corleone" and buying everyone out! Their goal is get under the cap by 2010 for a shot at LeBron, D-Wade, Bosh etc. I might be the only one on the planet to think this way, but something tells me LeBron would leave the Cavs to either the Nets or the Knicks in 2010.

Think even harder back to the wcf of 2005 and 2006. Why did the suns lose those series? Cause they played against far superior defensive units who were able to shut them down. Mike's approach has been given a chance- with one of the best teams in the nba. What more of a chance to you need to see that it doesn't work? The knicks aren't going to prove anything the suns already have. They aren't going to buyout eddy curry, zach randalph, Steph Marbury, or jamal crawford. Those guys have problems on and off the court but they are proven and valuable nba talents none the less. They could trade them for something I'm sure, my point in the previous post is that they won't get anywhere near equal value because of the weaknesses that their time with the knicks has expossed. Lebron is from cleveland, he wouldn't jump ship. The cavs will always be able to pay him and he has had great success the past 3 years. They are just a player away from a tittle. They simply need a good number 2 option.

Originally Posted by Azyiu

Man, there are more than a few fair weather Celtics fans, and I am sure Mr. Blackcock will feel right at home with them... can't wait to see any of y'all there as well as here.

what is that suppossed to mean? How have I ever been a fair weather fan? I have talked shit about the celtics since day one. Just cause they are winning know doesn't mean I am a fan. I simply see a talented team. calling it as you see it does not make you a fair weather fan. Further more- I have never claimed to be a celtic fan. I'm not. Never have been, never will be.