[zimbloth]

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

first off, why are you coming in here throwing insults at me? completly uncalled for. this was a peaceful thread with friendly discussion. go be an asshole somewhere else.

Just because its peaceful doesnt mean I cant call out someone whos making factually wrong ridiculous statements indicative of someone who doesn't understand the NBA.

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

i dont need a salary cap lecture or nba lecture by anyone. i know damn well how it works.

Apparently not. You said the Celtics were 'too cheap to sign good players'. They'd love to sign Tim Duncan or LeBron James, unfortunately they're over the cap.

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

I also know with all that money they put in that team, they got what 23 wins? you do the math. if what your saying is true they sure as hell didn't spend it well.

They're over .500 when both Wally and Pierce played. Their win total for this year is irrelevant given half their roster has been out and theyre the youngest team in the NBA. What matters is seeing how the young players are coming along, not winning a terrible divisionand getting bounced in the first round of the playoffs.

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

that trade for wally was pointless and didn't help either team one bit.

Yeah if you're clueless about the NBA I guess that makes sense. We got Wally for Ricky Davis, who everyone including Pierce hated, someone who went behind Pierce's back and tried to turn the team against him. He is known as a "cancer". Wally is injury prone, but when healthy is a better player for our system than Ricky Davis. When you have a headcase no one likes like Ricky Davis, the only players you can get in return is another player with risk, such as Wally with his injury history. I'm sure you knew all about the dynamics of the 2005-06 Celtics lockerroom to make a worth-while assessment on Ricky Davis vs. Wally. How are the T-Wolves doing this year? They had their whole team healthy this year and they are still terrible. Whats their excuse?

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

in case you cant tell telfair should have gone to college. he is a bust.

No one cares about Telfair here. They traded for him to dump Raef LaFrentz' contract so we could have the flexibility to resign our young players. That was the main motivation. Telfair was a throwin and is not even part of our longterm plans most likely. We have Rondo and West. That said, I don't think a 21 year old PG like Telfair cant get better in time.

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

your saying a 19 year has flashes of mcgrady? ha. so what he can dunk? dont get to excited he just yet.

I guess you know more than the NBA scouts, analysts, GMs. Gerald Green is one of the hottest commodities in the NBA not because he can dunk. He's an exceptional talent, with an incredible shooting touch from anywhere on the floor. He's been compared to McGrady by experts all over the league. We could have gotten Iverson if we traded him, we werent interested for a reason. Does that mean he will be as good as McGrady? No, it means hes a young, extremely talented player with a high cieling who has shown repeatedly when given playing time that he can light it up all night.

By the way, Gerald Green is 19. Tracy McGrady came out of high school too. McGrady's #s in his second year (like Gerald's) are about identical. But its not about stats, its about a skillset and a mindset, thats why experts compare them so often.

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

everything else

Honestly all of your points are totally pointless and embarassing. We all know the Celtics were a bad team this year. No one is doubting that. But they're not as bad as their record, due to their injuries and how young they are. There's a difference between a team thats loaded with great young talent whos about to get a #1 or #2 draft pick and unload expiring contracts to free up cap space, than a team who is just going nowhere and has really no future, like say... New Jersey, New York, Minnesota, Portland, Washington, etc. The teams to be on the watch for in the future is Golden State, Toronto, etc.

Look I know you're offended that I called out you out, but you are just exposing yourself as totally clueless about how the NBA works. It sounds as if you goto ESPN.com and read the standings and maybe read an idiot like Steven A. Smith's column, and then think you know something about the NBA. There's many many layers of complexities and nuances with how the NBA works, so I found it necessary to point out some of your incorrect statements. I'm sorry if I came off brash, but you said some pretty silly things.

[GH0STrider]

claiming i dont know how the nba works just because i dont know boston's salary cap situation is complete horse shit. I know perfectly well how the nba works. your simply trying to justify every error that team has. that doesnt mean you know anything. they cant sign guys like tim duncan and lebron for a reason mr. know it all. they are signed to other teams and aren't free agents. I didnt know everyone hated ricky. my mistake. i dont follow the celtics that closely to know something like that. i do know that what good is having wally there if he cant play? if no one cares about telfair then why did you bring him up? I never claimed to know more than any nba scout, analyst, or gm. all i said was dont get to high on him just cause he's shown "flashes" that doesn't mean much yet. most young players show flashes and many don't amount to anything. my points are embarassing to who? you? like i care. again stop being an asshole. just cause you don't agree doesn't make you right. it just makes you an asshole for being such a dick. which you have proven clearly that you are. learn how to disagree contructivly. you have come off as nothing but a dick with to much time on your hands with these massive blocks of text that dont prove anything.

and it's called a draft lottery. the last few years the shittiest teams in the nba haven't been getting the number one or two picks. i wouldn't be suprised if all that losing did NOT result in oden or durrant for you guys.

I dont say "pretty silly things" learn to have respect for what other people say. If you can't respect what others say no one is going to respect what you think. as i no longer do. I follow the nba very closely and dont appreciate someone telling me i'm wrong cause you dont agree. I personally dont think that boston managment has done enough to put that team in the position to win. wether that means trades, signing better players, getting rid of bad players, ect. is irrelevant. And if you think stevin, a smith is an idiot your an even bigger idiot. remember he is hosting an espn show. your being an asshole on a message board. who's higher up? those guys on espn know a hell of a lot more than you do. when your team sucks people are gonna talk shit. learn to deal with that.

[zimbloth]

Your original statements and my responses speak for themselves, I'm not going to argue with you. You've done nothing but contradict yourself. There is such a thing as an incorrect opinion, all I did was point them out.

PS: Yes Steven A. Smith hosting his own show means he's a good journalist. I guess that means Tim McCarver & Joe Morgan is a good baseball analyst too? Honestly you really just don't get it. Smith has his own show because he's loud and ESPN worships African-Americans because they're desperate to appear 'hip' to the 18-35 demographic.

[GH0STrider]

i think not. i've stood by what i said originally. you haven't proven anything other than showing a fine example of how to be an asshole when it wasn't call for.

[zimbloth]

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

i think not. i've stood by what i said originally. you haven't proven anything other than showing a fine example of how to be an asshole when it wasn't call for.

Well, people can read your original goofy statements*, and my well thought-out responses, and make their own judgement call on who knows what theyre talking about. Or option C, no one will care other than us

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Originally Posted by GH0STrider

I feel bad for you boston fans. You have one of the best players in the nba with managment that is to cheap to put decent help around him to make one of the nba's most legendary franchises a winner again. shit like that is gonna drive paul peirce right outta town.

[GH0STrider]

you haven't learned anything and apprently can't read. just becaue you dont agree doesn't my statments are wrong or goofy. its also doesn't mean your comments were well thought out. lol. and you really dont know anything. most people can shoot out a page full of bs to support their teams. good for you. were all really impressed. go beat your chest, pump you ego a little bigger and head back out to the other forums and show everyone what a big man you are.

[zimbloth]

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

you haven't learned anything and apprently can't read. just becaue you dont agree doesn't my statments are wrong or goofy. its also doesn't mean your comments were well thought out. lol. and you really dont know anything. most people can shoot out a page full of bs to support their teams. good for you. were all really impressed. go beat your chest, pump you ego a little bigger and head back out to the other forums and show everyone what a big man you are.

Um, there's nothing to agree or disagree about! Thats the point. What you said is factually wrong. It's not about supporting my team. You made statements which make no sense, I corrected them. I'm aware the Celtics were a bad team this year, we're in full agreeance. My statements had nothing to do with that. You responded to Chris' comment rudely ,and made uneducated statements, that's what this is about.

I'm not claiming to be the God of NBA knowledge, but I do follow it very passionately, I read newspapers all over the country, I know people who work for NBA teams who give me information, I have worked for a publication writing articles on the NBA, I've personally interviewed NBA executives, I watch hundreds of NBA games, I read up on the business side of the NBA, I have friends who are sponsors of NBA teams, I know a thing or two about the NBA. That doesnt mean I can come in here and say "LOLZ THE CELTICS RULE!". I'm not doing that. You made foolish comments, so I felt like responding. Mainly because most people, most casual NBA fans don't think things through. They just see black and white, things are more complicated than that.

[GH0STrider]

its wasn't a foolish comment whatsoever. that team is losing for reasons other than injuries. I felt the managment could do more. thats it . an opinion is NEVER factually wrong.I never said it was a fact. i said it was my opinion. So mr. nba is you can't handle others opinions i'd say the internet is not a place for you.

[zimbloth]

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

its wasn't a foolish comment whatsoever. that team is losing for reasons other than injuries. I felt the managment could do more. thats it . an opinion is NEVER factually wrong.I never said it was a fact. i said it was my opinion. So mr. nba is you can't handle others opinions i'd say the internet is not a place for you.

Your opinion is horseshit. Opinions can't be wrong? Want me to prove it? Observe:

Bill: I think the Sun orbits Earth.
Kevin: No, Earth has an elliptical orbit around the Sun actually.
Bill: My opinion stands. All opinions are valid you can't prove that.
Kevin: -sigh-

See?

You can substitute "The celtics were "too cheap" to sign players to help Pierce" is a provable incorrect statement. They are over the salary cap. They can't sign any great players to help Pierce. They can only sign players to the veteran minimum or the MLE.

[urklvt]

Wow, just wow.