[Azyiu]

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

The nets aren't going anywhere and won't be winning a tittle in the duration of kidd's career with or without him. Can you imagine him with lebron james or kobe bryant??? Can you say championship? Jefferson is nice but he works much better as a second option, and carter is just fucking lazy. Jason do yourself a favor and opt out, demand a trade, something buddy. Please.

Totally... Kidd can still play, but I guess he is just happy being in NJ. I don't know, some people just don't like too much changes? While I don't think he would help bring a championship to neither the Cavs or the Lakers, either of those teams would be greatly improve for sure.

Yeah, Jefferson is at his best if he is the second option, very true.

About Carter... whomever still claim to be a true Carter fan is either living under a rock, or is just stupid. Even my cat is more active when she plays, and that ain't a joke!

[GH0STrider]

Originally Posted by Azyiu

While I don't think he would help bring a championship to neither the Cavs or the Lakers, either of those teams would be greatly improve for sure.

I disagree, While the lakers might not be champs right away I think the cavs would be a safe bet. You look at that team and the point guard is by far the weakest link. eric snow, daniel gibson, damon jones I mean c'mon... They don't have a great distrubuting/scoring point guard. I bet kidd averages more assits than those 3 combined and he can still score the basketball. I think a scoring point guard like mike bibby would help the cavs more but jason kidd certainly could take this club to the finals. HE brought the nets to the finals with less talent, the cavs do have lebron james...

[ibzrg1570]

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

I disagree, While the lakers might not be champs right away I think the cavs would be a safe bet. You look at that team and the point guard is by far the weakest link. eric snow, daniel gibson, damon jones I mean c'mon... They don't have a great distrubuting/scoring point guard. I bet kidd averages more assits than those 3 combined and he can still score the basketball. I think a scoring point guard like mike bibby would help the cavs more but jason kidd certainly could take this club to the finals. HE brought the nets to the finals with less talent, the cavs do have lebron james...

They got to the Finals with just Lebron and an unimpressive support cast. And they've managed to beat the Celtics with pretty much the same roster as last year. Having Kidd would definitely make them a serious contender for the championship.

[Azyiu]

Sure, even with Kidd, the Cavs would STILL lose to either the San Antonio Spurs or the Phoenix Suns in 6. But one thing is for certain, jerk faces like Carter will never ever win a ring as the star of his respective team. That guy just does NOT have the heart at all. He is the most heartless so-called star player I can recall. Hell, IMO, out of shape or lazy or not, even Walker is more motivated in this dept than Carter!

[GH0STrider]

Originally Posted by Azyiu

Sure, even with Kidd, the Cavs would STILL lose to either the San Antonio Spurs or the Phoenix Suns in 6. But one thing is for certain, jerk faces like Carter will never ever win a ring as the star of his respective team. That guy just does NOT have the heart at all. He is the most heartless so-called star player I can recall. Hell, IMO, out of shape or lazy or not, even Walker is more motivated in this dept than Carter!

I disagree. I think if the cavs had kidd there would be a good chance they could defeat the spurs and espeacially the suns, a team that can't defend. Lebron would have a feild day on them. the spurs might still be able to beat them, but keep in mind kidd's nets took the spurs to 6 games in the finals a couple of years back. That net team was not as good as a cavs team with lebron and kidd

[Azyiu]

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

I disagree. I think if the cavs had kidd there would be a good chance they could defeat the spurs and espeacially the suns, a team that can't defend. Lebron would have a feild day on them. the spurs might still be able to beat them, but keep in mind kidd's nets took the spurs to 6 games in the finals a couple of years back. That net team was not as good as a cavs team with lebron and kidd

I also disagree.

The 2002 Nets were an under-rated defensive team with Mt.Mutombo in the middle and K-Mart manning the post for rebouds. The 2003 Nets, while not as defensively tough, were a pretty damn good perimeter shooting team.

The Cavs, as they are right now, are neither. So even with Kidd running the point, I sincerely do not see them being able to play a tough defensive series.

[GH0STrider]

Originally Posted by Azyiu

I also disagree.

The 2002 Nets were an under-rated defensive team with Mt.Mutombo in the middle and K-Mart manning the post for rebouds. The 2003 Nets, while not as defensively tough, were a pretty damn good perimeter shooting team.

The Cavs, as they are right now, are neither. So even with Kidd running the point, I sincerely do not see them being able to play a tough defensive series.

dude the cavs were on of the best defensive teams out there last season. If they could get vareajo to realize he is not worth 10 million a season they would still be that good. larry hughes, eric snow, drew gooden, big z, lebron is getting there too. they are a good defensive team. with kidd running the point they could take the east. espeacially with how sad it is.

*Edit- Looks like the cavs can forget about varajeo returning. he signed an offer sheet for a 3 year deal with the bobcats. The cavs have 7 days to match it but varajeo has made it clear he does not want to play for the cavs anymore.

[Azyiu]

Nah... as of Nov. and early Dec., I still rate the Cavs behind the Cs and the Magic. IMO, they are tied with the Pistons in the east.

Oh, by the way, did you hear the Bobcats just now offered Varejao a 3-year $17M contract? The Cavs have a week to match that deal. Well, if the Cavs originally offered 5 years @ $32M or 35M, I don't see why they won't match 3-year @ $17M.

Now the bigger question is, what is up with YOUR Chicago Bulls? Hey, your PA announcer Ray Clay, is he still there? Or was he fired or something? Can't remember. Fill me in.

[GH0STrider]

He's still there. Not sure what is going on with this team. They should have been up there with the celtics at this point. They always get off to a slow start but 4-11? They need to make a deal. There was an article written here by out very own sam smith that said the grizz were interested in trading pao gasol now. His numbers are down and they feel he is expendable. The trade purposed was for the bulls to send noccioni(whom the grizz were after this summer in free agency) and tyrus thomas. I would definatly make this move if I was john paxon. Tyrus is not working out very well, noc is a big lose for us but pao is an even bigger addition. He solves our need for a post player and in the east he should definatly be a 20 and 10 allstar.

[Azyiu]

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

He's still there. Not sure what is going on with this team. They should have been up there with the celtics at this point. They always get off to a slow start but 4-11? They need to make a deal. There was an article written here by out very own sam smith that said the grizz were interested in trading pao gasol now. His numbers are down and they feel he is expendable. The trade purposed was for the bulls to send noccioni(whom the grizz were after this summer in free agency) and tyrus thomas. I would definatly make this move if I was john paxon. Tyrus is not working out very well, noc is a big lose for us but pao is an even bigger addition. He solves our need for a post player and in the east he should definatly be a 20 and 10 allstar.

I actually kind of like Sam Smith. I got his book on #23 called Second Coming. I think Smith writes nothing but the truth, even though the truth sometimes doesn't sound good to readers.

About that proposed trade, yeah, do it. I think Gasol would fit well with the rest of the Bulls. YOUR team needs a low post scorer very badly! In fact, IF you guys get Gasol, I see him being moved to the 4 spot with Big Ben at the 5. Along with Luol, that front court would give ALOT of teams troubles.

About Ray Clay, remember MJ's final game at the United Center with the Wiz? After introducing him and move on to the next thing on the program, he stopped and allowed fans to give him one final standing O, which I thought was the right thing to do. But later I heard a story that action upset the ownership group, and someone wanted him head for that or something. That's why I asked.