[GH0STrider]

Originally Posted by Azyiu

Of course, he never got to play in the final minutes in the 4th in a close game! Then again, I don't blame him for missing FTs either. So many other things could've been done in the duration of a game to avoid a loss, those miss FTs are just some of them.

That's not funny. I just explained to you why skiles hasn't been playing ben. It serves no point when the game is pretty much already decided by the fourth quarter. Ben typically is the last guy pulled from a game, he usually is always in the 4th quarter.

Originally Posted by Azyiu

And thanks for bringing up a good point here. See, the Euro League or the Chinese CBA might be boring or much LESS intense in comparison to the NBA; but all those players can shoot! Either at the line or from the perimeter. See, IMO, this is a much deeper issue than just the NBAers missing shots or can't shoot to save their lives.

Coaches at the college level or even in the high school level just don't seem to teach or stress shooting anymore. They seem to focus more on playing team D (which is good) and player's individual athleticism and stuff.

IMHO, when you are getting paid playing ball, I think you should at least work on your shooting; especially when you are in the NBA. I mean, come on, you can't even make a 15-ft shot from the foul line with NO defender on you?

yeah, and how well do those guys play d when they come over here to the nba? The game is different here. It is dependent on athelticism, defense, passing, and yes shooting. Some guys aren't great shooters. it's that simple. They offer something else to the game other than shooting. The nba is not just about shooting. Ben was never drafted. he was given a shot at the nba because of his rebounding and defense. There is no way you can tell me he is not one of the most effective players out there. Outside of shooting this guys does everything else, including stuff that does not show up on the stat sheet.

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[Azyiu]

Mr.Blackcock, I really cannot agree with you on your last point there, man.

First of all, I made my point very clear, and I said you should at least make your FTs, it is that simple.

Second of all, I understand the NBA is a totally different game and all, but at the end of the day, how many shooters are there in the L? I am simply saying, when you are paid to play ball, you better try to work on your shooting, that's all. I ain't singling out Ben or anyone, especially I like Ben too.

Way back in the days, if you can't shoot, you won't last long in the L...

[ibzrg1570]

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

yeah, and how well do those guys play d when they come over here to the nba? The game is different here. It is dependent on athelticism, defense, passing, and yes shooting. Some guys aren't great shooters. it's that simple. They offer something else to the game other than shooting. The nba is not just about shooting. Ben was never drafted. he was given a shot at the nba because of his rebounding and defense. There is no way you can tell me he is not one of the most effective players out there. Outside of shooting this guys does everything else, including stuff that does not show up on the stat sheet.

I saw Luis Scola in action for the first time last week and the guy is a beast on the offense but he has a lot to learn about playing D in the NBA. But you have to admit, if Ben could make those FTs he'd be a much more complete player. You can't say no to free points.

[GH0STrider]

How often does the guy actually get to the line though? He hardly shoots other than a few put backs. of course free points help, but if you have a player like ben or shaq who is so dominant in other areas it shouldn't matter. If it came down to a few points or whatever than the other team wanted it more. You can't blame big ben or shaq is their team got beat by a few points just because they missed some free throws. It goes without saying they most likely did a lot to help their teams. Every nba player has a role, not every player's role is to score, make free throws, be a great offensive player, blah,blah,blah... If your claiming ben doesn't work at it guess again. The guy works very hard, we see it a lot here in chicago. Like shaq- he just isn't a great ft shooter. oh well, he does many things in the nba that other players don't work at, like defense.

azyiu- with your point of a nba player gets paid lots of money so they should work on their shot- every nba player should be playing both ends of the court. There are entire teams in the nba that don't do that yet they all collect checks at the end of the day. Take a look at the golden state warriors. there are 15 players there who literally only play half the time and still get paid full time.

[Azyiu]

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

azyiu- with your point of a nba player gets paid lots of money so they should work on their shot- every nba player should be playing both ends of the court. There are entire teams in the nba that don't do that yet they all collect checks at the end of the day. Take a look at the golden state warriors. there are 15 players there who literally only play half the time and still get paid full time.

I do not disagree with you on this at all.

That is why I hate certain teams like the KNICKS! And as a fan it does bother me sometimes when I can just tell some guys or even teams simply get paid millions for showing up and do nothing. Luckily such kind of teams or players are few and far in between.

[GH0STrider]

Originally Posted by Azyiu

I do not disagree with you on this at all.

That is why I hate certain teams like the KNICKS! And as a fan it does bother me sometimes when I can just tell some guys or even teams simply get paid millions for showing up and do nothing. Luckily such kind of teams or players are few and far in between.

How 'bout reggie miller's comments about the knicks?

I really wish that guy would have made a comeback with the celtics- He trully is one the all time nba greats. Woulda loved to see him get a ring.

[Azyiu]

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

How 'bout reggie miller's comments about the knicks?

Oh, I missed that, fill me in, please.

[GH0STrider]

I don't remember his exact words- but he called them a the joke of the nba pretty much.

[Azyiu]

I think Reggie is being nice about it... the Knicks and its management is beyond a joke, man. I have never seen a company, let alone a sports club being mis-managed like this for so many years, and its upper management is still employed!!!

It's too bad it ain't baseball, and Stern can't just take away that team or something.