[ibzrg1570]

Originally Posted by Azyiu

Oh, come on, give me a break, Derek. You truly and honestly think what Shaq said was racist? The guy was just trying to be funny but failed that time. Have you really heard any REAL racist thing in your life?

Sadly, yes I have experienced racism in my life. I don't find "jokes" that relate to race funny and it was extremely unprofessional of Shaq to make those comments in the first place.

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

I never put words in your mouth. And maybe you should look up the word ignorant too cause you completly used it out of context there. You came in here and said you hate shaq for no reason. All I did was tell you why that was stupid and the elaborated why I disliked everyone giving shaq so much of the blame. I never gave a reason why you hated shaq. Not once.

ig·no·rant
adj.

1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

I would say you were very uninformed of my opinion and showed it by directly addressing me and following with a blanket statement about ignorant people. If that's not putting words in my mouth then you should at least be more careful of what comes out of yours. Besides, why would I say I hated Shaq if I didn't have a reason? I simply didn't want to bring my personal opinion on him into a discussion in which my view of him as a person has nothing to do with his value as a player in the NBA.

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

Exactly. Talk about ignorance. That is just Shaq's personality. He was joking. If your going to hate someone get a real reason. You just sound like your looking for a reason to dislike him.

I think I have the right to hate someone for being a jerk. Why else would I hate someone? Personality my ass.

[Azyiu]

Originally Posted by ibzrg1570

I don't find "jokes" that relate to race funny and it was extremely unprofessional of Shaq to make those comments in the first place.

Ok, dude, could you like quote exactly what Shaq said, man? I mean, yes, he was mocking Yao by pretending to be speaking in Chinese to him. And, he also did this bad voice-over acting thing like you see in bad Chinese movies dubbed in English and all. Well, I didn't see a big deal in that, man. He never said anything like go back to China and/or there is no room for you China-man in the NBA and such. If Shaq was such a REAL racist, he would have and could have just commit a hard foul on Yao everytime they play each other, and make sure Yao knows he doesn't like him and stuff. No, Shaq never did that at all.

Along the same line, what about Barkley? You hate him too? He was making FUN of every single mis-step Yao made in the first 2 months of his rookie season. Hell, he even said Yao could never score 19 pts in a game, and made a bet with Kenny "The Jet" Smith, you remember that?

Still, I see no racist thing in either of their comments. Hell, they even mock guys like Shawn Bradley, and the FAT Shawn Kamp too. So does it mean everytime you hear someone is making fun of another person / player is considered a racist in your book? Dude, seriously, take it easy.

EDIT: The Lakers traded Brian Cook and Maurice Evans to the Magic for Trevor Ariza. I love this trade, and it is a good trade for both teams IMHO. The Lakers got an athletic defender in Ariza, while the Magic got helps for the SG and PF spots. Cook would immediately solve the Magic's bigman rotation problem, and better yet, he has got 3-pt range! Now the Magic suddenly got more fire power without losing much, while the Lakers finally got someone who can play D besides Kobe.

[GH0STrider]

Originally Posted by ibzrg1570

ig·no·rant
adj.

1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

I would say you were very uninformed of my opinion and showed it by directly addressing me and following with a blanket statement about ignorant people. If that's not putting words in my mouth then you should at least be more careful of what comes out of yours. Besides, why would I say I hated Shaq if I didn't have a reason? I simply didn't want to bring my personal opinion on him into a discussion in which my view of him as a person has nothing to do with his value as a player in the NBA.



I think I have the right to hate someone for being a jerk. Why else would I hate someone? Personality my ass.

Congrats on looking up the word, the next step is to use it correctly. I never put words in your mouth. My rant had little to do with you and more so with all the people coming down on shaq. If you can't comprehend what you are reading then don't bother responding. You came on here and said you hate someone without stating why. No one put words in your mouth but you. If you want to come off as some 14 year old prick hating people for no reason I suggest you take your nba discussion over to the gamefaqs boards. They will love you there. They also don't comprehend what they read and then try and make it look like someone said something bad about them when in fact it had nothing to do with them.

further more- hating someone cause you don't get there sense of humor is just about the stupidest shit I have ever heard. talk about ignorant... Shaq was joking around. In case you haven't figured out by now that is kinda what he is known for.

Originally Posted by Azyiu

EDIT: the Lakers finally got someone who can play D besides Kobe.

What? DO you live in a lamar odomless world?

I don't see that trade really helping that much. Cook is probably the best of the 3. You say he can shoot 3's- true. But how will that really help when is averaging 2 points a game? I know, I know, he will get more playing time in orlando. WE shall see. I think the lakers made a bad trade here.

[Azyiu]

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

I think the lakers made a bad trade here.

Like you said, we shall see what happen next. Ariza didn't get much PT in NY or Orlando either, but based on the limited minutes he got with the Magic last season, he is a decent defender who can score some. One thing is for sure, he is at least athletic and the Lakers need that.

[ibzrg1570]

Originally Posted by Azyiu

Ok, dude, could you like quote exactly what Shaq said, man? I mean, yes, he was mocking Yao by pretending to be speaking in Chinese to him. And, he also did this bad voice-over acting thing like you see in bad Chinese movies dubbed in English and all. Well, I didn't see a big deal in that, man. He never said anything like go back to China and/or there is no room for you China-man in the NBA and such. If Shaq was such a REAL racist, he would have and could have just commit a hard foul on Yao everytime they play each other, and make sure Yao knows he doesn't like him and stuff. No, Shaq never did that at all.

Along the same line, what about Barkley? You hate him too? He was making FUN of every single mis-step Yao made in the first 2 months of his rookie season. Hell, he even said Yao could never score 19 pts in a game, and made a bet with Kenny "The Jet" Smith, you remember that?

Still, I see no racist thing in either of their comments. Hell, they even mock guys like Shawn Bradley, and the FAT Shawn Kamp too. So does it mean everytime you hear someone is making fun of another person / player is considered a racist in your book? Dude, seriously, take it easy.

I don't consider Shaq a racist based on this one incident, I simply said his comment is racist. You might not think it's so, but when you've been on the receiving end of similar comments from people who really are it doesn't sit so well in your stomach. From what you guys have been saying I don't think you know what that feels like. So please stop acting like you understand.

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

Congrats on looking up the word, the next step is to use it correctly. I never put words in your mouth. My rant had little to do with you and more so with all the people coming down on shaq. If you can't comprehend what you are reading then don't bother responding. You came on here and said you hate someone without stating why. No one put words in your mouth but you. If you want to come off as some 14 year old prick hating people for no reason I suggest you take your nba discussion over to the gamefaqs boards. They will love you there. They also don't comprehend what they read and then try and make it look like someone said something bad about them when in fact it had nothing to do with them.

further more- hating someone cause you don't get there sense of humor is just about the stupidest shit I have ever heard. talk about ignorant... Shaq was joking around. In case you haven't figured out by now that is kinda what he is known for.

I don't think you get it. First you tell me that people who fault Shaq for being old are ignorant. Then you go on to say "The only reason people such as yourself are faulting him is because of the heat's slow start." Did I ever fault him for being past his prime? I simply stated facts.

Anyways, enough of this conversation, I think we all took it too far. No hard feelings. And on a lighter note, my cousin's boyfriend got me tickets to the Warriors-Rockets game next Thursday! I'm so pumped for this, never been to an NBA game before. Heck, I haven't even had time to watch a game since the season opener.

[Azyiu]

Originally Posted by ibzrg1570

I don't consider Shaq a racist based on this one incident, I simply said his comment is racist. You might not think it's so, but when you've been on the receiving end of similar comments from people who really are it doesn't sit so well in your stomach. From what you guys have been saying I don't think you know what that feels like. So please stop acting like you understand.

Oh, you are so wrong there, buddy. How about the following incidents I encounted?

- My first week in the US years ago, I was just trying to grab a burger at Wendy's... while waiting in line there was this drunk white guy came at me and started yelling something like, go back to Korea or Vietnam you damn bastard... blah blah blah...

- Freshman year in college, IN the classroom, no less; this fucker (guess he didn't get what he wanted the night before) stirred shit up and wanted to start a fight by calling me names, including Chinese Pig, commie coward and all...

- Still in college, some friends and I were visiting Branson, Missouri. There were these two big white guys trying to get in to this outlet place at the same time as we were leaving. Not sure what they were fucking thinking, they simply pushed me away and said:"Make way, little man..." and you knew they ain't kidding with you!

- Oh, and how about this? I was dating this chick (white chick) after I got my first job. Things went pretty well for us at first, but as soon as her parents found out I ain't white; they literally made her pick either them or me... they even made some racial comments during the few months things were dragging along.

Yeah, I am not bragging, if you want I can tell you some more stories and some more hardcore shit! But do I hate white people or Americans in general? Hell no, those fucked with me are rednecks! And do I get all bend out of shape when someone call me China-man? Fuck no, you are old enough to tell who is playing with you or not.

My message here is, don't get too sensitive over things you heard. Sometimes people don't mean what they say, and I am sure you are old enough to tell the wrong from right. Peace!

[GH0STrider]

Originally Posted by ibzrg1570

I don't think you get it. First you tell me that people who fault Shaq for being old are ignorant. Then you go on to say "The only reason people such as yourself are faulting him is because of the heat's slow start." Did I ever fault him for being past his prime? I simply stated facts.

Anyways, enough of this conversation, I think we all took it too far. No hard feelings. And on a lighter note, my cousin's boyfriend got me tickets to the Warriors-Rockets game next Thursday! I'm so pumped for this, never been to an NBA game before. Heck, I haven't even had time to watch a game since the season opener.

Dude, can you fucking read or for that matter comprehend anything that you do read? Where did I ever fault shaq? NO Where. I faulted others for blaming him for his and the heat's crappy start. I jumped on you for initially saying you hate them man and not stating a reason. I never made a generalization that people who hate him are ignorant. I said you are ignorant for what you alone said. wow, fucking wow.

[Azyiu]

I want to talk B-ball again, shall we? So what do you guys think about those rookies thus far?

Before the season started, everyone was so hot on Durant, but after 12-13 games, I am beginning to think either Scola or even Yi is playing better.

See, the biggest thing about Durant is that he is not even taking quality shots, and be effective with his shots at all. He is averaging 17 plus shots a game, but shoots only 37%!!! That is not good.

On the other hand, Yi takes only 9 shots a game and averages over 9 ppg. And, surprisingly, in most cases he actually does wait for a good shot before taking one. Ok, I am not completely sold on him yet, but I like what I see so far.

Scola is another rookie I like. That guy can simply play, period! Sure, the Rockets look pretty dead the last few games, losing to the Lakers, Spurs, Suns and Mavs... but Scola has been pretty much the only guy playing great in those games. I watched both the Spurs and Suns games. Neither teams got no answer for that guy. Give him another year, he will develop into a VERY dependable #3 option for the Rockets.

What about Horford? Ok, I admit I only saw his highlights, but numbers don't lie. That guy is averaging 9ppg and just over 10 rpg. That is pretty good, even on a bad team!

[GH0STrider]

Meh...Scola doesn't really impress me. 6ppgs and 4 boards in 20 minutes. So far he looks like a solid nba player, but nothing great yet. Yi does take smart shots, but keep in mind he played pro ball prior to the nba. Durrant is a legit rookie. He has much to learn about the pro game. While I will agree that 37 percent shooting is god awful though he is averaging 19 ppg. Horford is the one who is really impressing me. 9ppg 10 boards, 1.5 blocks, 48 percent fg's. He looks good.

[ibzrg1570]

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

Dude, can you fucking read or for that matter comprehend anything that you do read? Where did I ever fault shaq? NO Where. I faulted others for blaming him for his and the heat's crappy start. I jumped on you for initially saying you hate them man and not stating a reason. I never made a generalization that people who hate him are ignorant. I said you are ignorant for what you alone said. wow, fucking wow.

Reread my post. You said I faulted Shaq. I never said anything about you. You're getting defensive over nothing.

I agree with you on Scola, he hasn't done much until recently that stands out to me. I remember seeing him performing well with the Argentinian team, but he's probably still adjusting to the NBA. It doesn't help that he's not consistently getting enough minutes. Same story with Durant, with such a low FG% he's extremely inefficient. When he learns to make better shot selection he'll be a beast though. Horford on the other hand is already something to get excited about IMO. Having him, Marvin Williams, and Josh Smith together on a fantasy team is a good feeling.