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Old 10-26-2009, 09:24 PM   #1
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Antidepressants: What is your take?

I've been seriously considering going on them because of my escalating depression/anxiety. I'm just wondering what you guys have to say about them.

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Old 10-26-2009, 09:45 PM   #2
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You should talk to a psychiatrist first.
Then you two can decide what is best.
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Your in BC man, smoke up! Seriously ganja is great for brightening my mood. Medicinal marijuana is way safer than pharmaceutical junk.

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I took some .... that was prescribed for me a while ago. They're good and they aren't. I found that while you no longer feel bad while taking them regularly, instead if gives you kind of a numb feeling. If you think you'd prefer that to being depressed, go for it. I hated it though, I preferred to feel like I'm still human.

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I'm in college right now, majoring in psychology, and while I wouldn't consider myself to know anywhere near as much as a licensed psychologist, I have studied a fair amount and had some very good professors who are also psychologists. So with that, I would advise you to see a PSYCHOLOGIST, NOT A PSYCHIATRIST. Reason being is that anxiety is something that is not usually treated effectively with antidepressants, but it can be treated very effectively with therapy. And in many instances, once the anxiety is treated, the depression is usually effectively treated also. Now, I don't know A THING about your specific case, but this is what I'd recommend. I, personally, don't like the usage of anti-depressants (or most medicines for that matter). Sometimes, they are indeed necessary, but in many cases they aren't. Again, I don't much else about you, but my advise would be to see someone first who does not prescribe pills but relies on therapy of some kind to treat anxiety and depression. Take what I say with a grain of salt, as I am still only in college like I said.

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i actually make prescription medication lol.
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Old 10-26-2009, 11:25 PM   #7
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i actually make prescription medication lol.
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I'm in college right now, majoring in psychology, and while I wouldn't consider myself to know anywhere near as much as a licensed psychologist, I have studied a fair amount and had some very good professors who are also psychologists. So with that, I would advise you to see a PSYCHOLOGIST, NOT A PSYCHIATRIST. Reason being is that anxiety is something that is not usually treated effectively with antidepressants, but it can be treated very effectively with therapy. And in many instances, once the anxiety is treated, the depression is usually effectively treated also. Now, I don't know A THING about your specific case, but this is what I'd recommend. I, personally, don't like the usage of anti-depressants (or most medicines for that matter). Sometimes, they are indeed necessary, but in many cases they aren't. Again, I don't much else about you, but my advise would be to see someone first who does not prescribe pills but relies on therapy of some kind to treat anxiety and depression. Take what I say with a grain of salt, as I am still only in college like I said.
I've spoken to a psychologist and he advised against it. I just feel like I am at a stand still; it doesn't seem to be getting better at all. I've tried the diet/exercise method for a while and it brought me absolutely no results. What else is there? haha
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Why is this relavent jym
because if he got prescribed something i could possibly explain what he would be taking and any possible side effects.
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sorry to hear that man. Is there absolutely nothing you can think of which gives you a buzz / a kick and makes you feel good about yourself / it?

One of my ex-working colleagues was (still is) in the same situation. On top of all this he could not sleep at all. He tried tablets but they had little effect apart from generally making him slower and a bit slower mentally.

He issue was with ladies : he (for whatever reasons) could not see himself getting in a serious relationship, so he was depressed about it, and because he was in such a mood very few ladies would spare him so some time to get to know him because he was always going on about his depression..vicious circle i know.
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I've been seriously considering going on them because of my escalating depression/anxiety. I'm just wondering what you guys have to say about them.
See a psychiatrist, why anyone would see a psychologist over a psychiatrist is beyond me. They are different professions for a start and a psychiatrist is way more qualified.

Also how anyone could call minutely refined prescription drugs "junk" then advocate burning a plant and breathing in the fumes is beyond me also.

See a psychiatrist, they aren't there to peddle antidepressants. In the long term, overall, the results of people using them is positive. See what they have to say.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:24 AM   #12
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I took antidepressants last year for several months..

They made me feel.. Kinda non-existent.. When on the medication I just felt very.. Neutral. Not happy, not sad..

Anyway, I got stuck in an endless loop of doctor saying 'here's your scrip' and then the insurance company saying 'we won't cover that until the doctor approves it' and me and the doctor saying 'what the .... do you think a scrip is?!' and so on, until I just got tired of having to go back for my temporary refills every few weeks and gave up.

The withdrawal symptoms were AWFUL. I basically had no center of gravity for a month and a half.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:25 AM   #13
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Anxiety is an absolute mutha....er.
Mine got to the point where I could barely leave the house anymore.
That, combined with severe mood swing problems (laughing uncontrollably for no reason and then in the same day feeling totally numb and hopeless) meant I was hardly functional.
Spent all the day on the computer (14 hours a day), played guitar 4-5 days a week for maybe 2 hours, showered once or twice a week and had no motivation to do anything really.
To put it this way, I would have rather have been in a wheel chair with no use of my legs but a perfect mental state than to have been through that ...., it absolute cripples you.

If a change of diet and exercise weren't helping, it sounds like you may be seriously depressed, like SERIOUSLY, because I know even I responded well to lifestyle changes (more fruit, less processed food, from zero to heaps of exercise).

Just know we'll be looking out for you dude and I wish you the best, because I understand how insanely tough it is to battle through this.
I wouldn't say all my problems have gone away, but they've lessened to a degree where I'm basically fully functional and have fairly good control over my mood.
It took me a few months of gradually changing my lifestyle and getting more support from my friends to achieve this, but it's possible.
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I've spoken to a psychologist and he advised against it. I just feel like I am at a stand still; it doesn't seem to be getting better at all. I've tried the diet/exercise method for a while and it brought me absolutely no results. What else is there? haha
He advised against what? Antidepressants? But I am sorry to hear that man. Usually the diet and exercise thing can help alot, especially because exercise ups your serotonin levels much the same as SSRI (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor) antidepressants would. Just hang in there man and definitely keep trying to do the eating well and exercising. Another person you might try to see is a psychiatrist who incorporates therapy as well as precribing medication. Because as I said, sometimes medication is necessary. But again, we don't know alot else about you.



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See a psychiatrist, why anyone would see a psychologist over a psychiatrist is beyond me. They are different professions for a start and a psychiatrist is way more qualified.

Also how anyone could call minutely refined prescription drugs "junk" then advocate burning a plant and breathing in the fumes is beyond me also.

See a psychiatrist, they aren't there to peddle antidepressants. In the long term, overall, the results of people using them is positive. See what they have to say.
To say that psychiatrists are way more qualified than psychologists is absolutely ignorant. I'm sorry but it's not true at all. You will undoubtedly find terrible psychiatrists AND psychologists as well as very qualified of both. But the reason I suggested a psychologist was because these days ALOT of psychiatrists DO just try to push pills on you which don't always have a positive effect. You see tons and tons of people that finally get to see a very good psychologist after years of just being prescribed antidepressants and the psychologist diagnoses something that could be easily treated, had it not been for the build up of antidepressants which are now going to give the person withdrawls like a ............ if stopped completely. Contrastingly, you find a truely good psychologist, and he/she can have a fairly high success rate for treating anxiety with ONLY therapy! No need to put foreign things in your body. This is a classic debate between cognitive/behavioral and the medical model, therapy vs. medication.. But I feel, as do many other people, that going straight to pills is not always the answer. The main point here though is that we do not know what would be best in this instance becasue we have no other knowlege of this guys case.

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To say that psychiatrists are way more qualified than psychologists is absolutely ignorant. I'm sorry but it's not true at all. You will undoubtedly find terrible psychiatrists AND psychologists as well as very qualified of both. But the reason I suggested a psychologist was because these days ALOT of psychiatrists DO just try to push pills on you which don't always have a positive effect. You see tons and tons of people that finally get to see a very good psychologist after years of just being prescribed antidepressants and the psychologist diagnoses something that could be easily treated, had it not been for the build up of antidepressants which are now going to give the person withdrawls like a ............ if stopped completely. Contrastingly, you find a truely good psychologist, and he/she can have a fairly high success rate for treating anxiety with ONLY therapy! No need to put foreign things in your body. This is a classic debate between cognitive/behavioral and the medical model, therapy vs. medication.. But I feel, as do many other people, that going straight to pills is not always the answer. The main point here though is that we do not know what would be best in this instance becasue we have no other knowlege of this guys case.
You are being ignorant in repeating and implying that psychiatrists will just push drugs. Psychiatrists are trained in psychology and psychotherapy aswell as a full medical doctorate, that's why I said they are more qualified. I'm sure there are good and bad people in both but that's not an argument at all.

Most of the time the drugs which are prescribed by psychiatrists do work in a positive way.
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first of all.. forget about weed. It even more exhausts the certain state of mind. if you are down, you will be even more. and you cannot stay high 24/7 unless you are a junkie or P-Diddy.
Try someone who does Homeopathics, they should help you overcome these state of minds.
Anyway, I have problems myself. I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks (without any specific reason i would know off). Sometimes I have to get off a bus feeling I will suffocate, heartbeat exceeding 180BPM, but it is getting better. The worst thing is you really do not know at first if it is a psychical state of mind or some physiological disease which is somewhere inside of you. There actually are medical treatments for suppresing these states of mind, but i do not trust these (for example serotonine additives). I believe a good homeopathic-ist(??) can get you rid of that (and that is wha i am planning to do as a friend of mine used to have such problems but is now ok)
The next thing is, that many many people understimate the candida infection, which, if it spreads throughout your body may cause such a variety of symptoms you would tell you are dying starting with serious depressions, and causing even more specific physical pain and problems.. therefore make sure you eat vegetable, buy some dophilus bacteria which helps you retain the quality of bowele (you would not believe how many people are depressed for simple food intolerance they even do not know off)
If it is a seasonly depression.. e.g. now during fall time, I suggest long walks, do not stay at home, go get some fresh air, fetch yourself a lady, go jogging, to the gym, or simply- do anything you are not used to which helps you create endorphine in your brain. sorry for such a long thread guyz. oh.. and sometimes, you have to visit the psychologist at last. but you have to do something with it on your own..
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to each his/her own, but i don't really trust anything in pill form and i think depending on which antidepressants you choose they might be okay but i know a lot of them make people kind of zombie-like.

i mean it never hurts to at least try i suppose.

i have more natural suggestions as to how you might treat your depression/anxiety, but i'm not sure the forum would condone my making said suggestion.

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See a psychiatrist, why anyone would see a psychologist over a psychiatrist is beyond me. They are different professions for a start and a psychiatrist is way more qualified.

Also how anyone could call minutely refined prescription drugs "junk" then advocate burning a plant and breathing in the fumes is beyond me also.

See a psychiatrist, they aren't there to peddle antidepressants. In the long term, overall, the results of people using them is positive. See what they have to say.
well you don't really know what's in a pill.. it's pressed powder. and the same disdain you see for burning the plant is the same thing the other side sees as far as swallowing a mystery powder is concerned. just another $0.02




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Old 10-27-2009, 12:56 PM   #18
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It's not a mystery powder. They have clinical trials. They account for placebo effect. Any pharmacist worth their salt should be able to tell you what's in your pill and what it's doing.

That doesn't absolve drug companies from pushing pills, but they're certainly not pushing snake oil.

And unless he's spending his medical degree drinking beer, playing guitar and hitting on women, Tom probably knows exactly what's in them thar pills.

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first of all.. forget about weed. It even more exhausts the certain state of mind. if you are down, you will be even more. and you cannot stay high 24/7 unless you are a junkie or P-Diddy.
someone got a copy of Reefer Madness for their bday

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It's not a mystery powder. They have clinical trials. They account for placebo effect. Any pharmacist worth their salt should be able to tell you what's in your pill and what it's doing.

That doesn't absolve drug companies from pushing pills, but they're certainly not pushing snake oil.

And unless he's spending his medical degree drinking beer, playing guitar and hitting on women, Tom probably knows exactly what's in them thar pills.

Oh wait, he has spent his medical degree doing just that. Never mind.
Your post confused me a tiny bit. I"ll take back the "mystery powder" comment. But I don't really trust them and most of the time when I take a pill it fixes whatever the initial problem is but I'll end up with like a headache or feel slightly nauseous. Then again that could just be psychological since I go into it not wanting to take the damn things.




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someone got a copy of Reefer Madness for their bday

whatever that is, i do not know it D:D: but you may explain i am quite interested
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whatever that is, i do not know it D:D: but you may explain i am quite interested
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Depression and anxiety are two very different things clinically, and a good amount of antidepressant might actually give you anxiety crisis, so don't just swallow a pill without professionnal advice.

You best bet is probably to go and see a psychiatrist AND a regular doctor and discuss with both the situation. The most effective way in general is both pills + psychiatrist, but anti-depressant are addictive and can cause withdrawal syndroms if you just get on and off them. You really have to follow the prescription here, and it's probably going to be 6 month minimum.

And due to how everyone's brain is wired a bit differently, people react differently to the same drug (even more so that "anti depressant" is just their effect, it covers several drug types). It might be a bit of trial and error before finding the right one for you.
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Anxiety is an absolute mutha....er.
Mine got to the point where I could barely leave the house anymore.
That, combined with severe mood swing problems (laughing uncontrollably for no reason and then in the same day feeling totally numb and hopeless) meant I was hardly functional.
Spent all the day on the computer (14 hours a day), played guitar 4-5 days a week for maybe 2 hours, showered once or twice a week and had no motivation to do anything really.
To put it this way, I would have rather have been in a wheel chair with no use of my legs but a perfect mental state than to have been through that ...., it absolute cripples you.

If a change of diet and exercise weren't helping, it sounds like you may be seriously depressed, like SERIOUSLY, because I know even I responded well to lifestyle changes (more fruit, less processed food, from zero to heaps of exercise).

Just know we'll be looking out for you dude and I wish you the best, because I understand how insanely tough it is to battle through this.
I wouldn't say all my problems have gone away, but they've lessened to a degree where I'm basically fully functional and have fairly good control over my mood.
It took me a few months of gradually changing my lifestyle and getting more support from my friends to achieve this, but it's possible.
I really appreciate the support, man. I am glad everyone on here is so supportive. I've struggled with anxiety and depression for pretty much my whole life and I don't think I have to explain what that's like. It had gotten better when I met my ex-girlfriend a year and a half ago; she was like my anti-depressant for a long time. Back in August, she just decided to end it for absolutely no reason and needless to say, it threw me deeper than I had ever been before. You're probably rolling your eyes and saying ''She's just a girl.'' and yeah, she is, but over the year and a half, I had become extremely attached. If you mix a nasty breakup with terrible family problems and my grandmothers passing on-top of my already existing anxiety, it completely ....s you up. Sorry if it sounds a bit whiny, I just thought I'd share.
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Another Psychology student here. I don't claim to be as qualified as a Ph.D. holder either, but what I've learned does point to some general trends.

First is that in terms of reducing depression, medications and therapy have roughly similar success rates (60-80%). BUT, drugs will have side-effects, whereas therapy has none (unless you find an absolute incompetent and become jaded). Theories of Personality professor told us that when treating a person, a general plan is to combine therapy and medication, and to get off the meds as soon as possible.

Now your disposition helps determine how you'll receive certain therapies (i.e. "this is stupid" or "this works for me), but I'm willing to bet that the Cognitive therapies are pretty well-suited to this situation.

So Carl Rogers and Alfred Ellis are your main men.

Rogers's therapy is a "touchy-feely" kind of therapy in which (this sounds obvious) the therapist listens to you and you attempt to arrive at an understanding of your situation and possible solutions.

If you're more into forcibly changing your own thinking (all cognitive therapies, including Rogers's, are made to change thinking, hence "cognitive"), dig Albert Ellis. His method is called Rational-Emotive Behavior therapy.

The basic idea is that you are the one who determines what a situation means to you and how to react to it, and so you attempt to change how you think. This is a good way to put things in "perspective" and re-order your thinking without some response like "suck it up," which, if anything, will only make things worse (we've got additional guilt now too).

Ellis's method is much less teary-eyed than Rogers's, but both are effective. If you want to dig Ellis, you can dabble in his stuff in the about 500,000 things he's written. The Myth of Self-Esteem was pretty good, but be patient with it (all the acronyms will attack you). I didn't like it at all until about halfway through, and now I'd recommend it.

Anyway, here's an interesting tidbit. My Theories of Personality professor mentioned in one lecture that the strongest correlation to the best results was not the kind of therapy, but that the therapist is perceived as a kind person who genuinely wants to help the situation.

The meaning? Confidantes are good too, so if you can talk honestly with friends, it can help a great deal. Sometimes just getting it out is a good thing.

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