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Old 09-10-2009, 03:16 AM   #1
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Outburst during Obama's speech.

Rep. Wilson shouts to Obama during speech: 'You lie' - CNN.com

This is one of the most blatant display of disrespect for a president that I have seen in quite a while. Did Dems disagree with Bush on almost everything? Yes. Did they ever resort to name calling outbursts in the middle of a speech to a joint season of congress or in the middle of any of his formal speeches? No. The GOP is sure not helping its case with people like this filling the seats in both the Senate and Congress. Not to mention if he had actually read the bill he would know that offering health care to illegal immigrants is addressed in the bill much as Obama mentioned.
For reference here is a link: Twenty-six Lies About H.R. 3200 | FactCheck.org



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Old 09-10-2009, 10:43 AM   #2
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I guess he had to shout "you lie!" because "President's got a big butt! Nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah!!!!" was too passe.

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I watched the speech and found the blatant disrespect terrible. What's worse is that Obama addressed all of the fear-mongering claims that have been spread in opposition to health care reform and specifically pointed out that nobody would need to give up their current plan, making public health care and OPTION... yet, after the speech, the Republican response (a very plastic address, mind you) was that "Forcing you and your family to change their health care is wrong," blah blah... its such a ridiculous and unnecessary uphill battle.
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Old 09-10-2009, 10:45 AM   #4
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because "President's got a big butt! Nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah!!!!"
does he though? has anyone thought to check? i'd appreciate knowing as this could admittedly change a few things. for instance, it could affect his tone.

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Good Republicans are like moderate Muslims. The insane ones thrust themselves into the spotlight and give the rest of them a bad name. Really, all these idiots do now is make a fuss about everything Obama says and does, because they are whiny bigot losers. I mean, the school speech "controversy". Come on. Did you see that speech? How can those retards defend their claims of "brainwashing" and "the republic being under attack" after that?
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What a ....ing joke.

Wilson, much like so many of his crybaby comrades, needs to die in a fire to spare the population from any more spreading of his genes.
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does he though? has anyone thought to check? i'd appreciate knowing as this could admittedly change a few things. for instance, it could affect his tone.

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you're ....in' ridiculous

that was awesome. and to be honest i can't say i'm surprised people act the way they do about obama. i've noticed lately in some of the threads people have been mentioning how some members try to "out mature" each other inadvertantly revealing themselves to be much less mature than the image they seek to project.

likewise, i think that although the country tries to act like it's past racism (a lot of us are, but the older folks i think still haven't quite let it go completely) it's very much still alive and well. a lot of the unfounded claims that get made about obama more than likely have nothing to do with people thinking he's unable to perform his job. to me i don't think they trust a black man to do the job regardless of how well he presents himself. but they can't flat out say we don't want a black guy in office. that's what i think.

flame if you will, but it just seems to me that if they had a legitimate issue with the man they'd go through the trouble of educating themselves on the situation rather than taking pride in being loud and wrong...



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It's so weak that we pay these guys so much of our own money and they spend their time fighting instead of helping us.

None of these guys could give a .... about passing a health insurance bill because we are paying for their insurance already

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^ haha... that's generally how i feel about politics. every time i turn on the news the democrats and republicans look like children pointing fingers at each other all day and worrying more about getting some dirt on the other side than actually getting anything done. i mean i'm sure something gets done, but it just looks terrible that the so-called leaders of the free world act like a bunch of ....in' children.

everything has turned into reality tv... even politics

...Idiocracy?



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Let's play Devil's advocate for a moment and see if we can deduce some logic out of this. Follow along as I leap into the abyss.

If I understand the proposal for universal health care accurately, and using the Canadian/British systems as an example the following events would need to take place for Wilson's outburst to be seen as factual:

Policy regarding illegal immigrants would have to be changed, granting them an amnesty, through which they could achieve legal land immigrant status through what i can only assume would be a long and probably arduous process. Having now achieved legal status, they would be afforded some level of care as would any other legal resident.

Of course, now that they would be legal residents the notion it being health care for illegal immigrants is moot, but it takes a certain leap of faith to follow irrational thought.

On that note, and at the risk of incurring the wrath of opposite side, I find the opposition to universal health care utterly perplexing. I don't get it one bit.
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Did they ever resort to name calling outbursts in the middle of a speech to a joint season of congress or in the middle of any of his formal speeches? No.
apparently you missed Bush's state of the union address in which the entire Democrat party booed throughout the speech.

RealClearPolitics - Video - Flashback: Democrats Boo Bush At 2005 State Of The Union

don't let either side fool you. neither are saints.
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don't let either side fool you. neither are saints.
In fairness, I'm a Democrat and a candidate for sainthood... so just give me a few centuries and that might change.

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^ haha... that's generally how i feel about politics. every time i turn on the news the democrats and republicans look like children pointing fingers at each other all day and worrying more about getting some dirt on the other side than actually getting anything done. i mean i'm sure something gets done, but it just looks terrible that the so-called leaders of the free world act like a bunch of ....in' children.

everything has turned into reality tv... even politics

...Idiocracy?

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apparently you missed Bush's state of the union address in which the entire Democrat party booed throughout the speech.

RealClearPolitics - Video - Flashback: Democrats Boo Bush At 2005 State Of The Union

don't let either side fool you. neither are saints.

Boos are a part of life. Obama has been booed. Was it wrong of the dems to boo the president? Yes. I can deal with decent but out right yelling out that the president is lying to the american public is something else entirely.

Neither side is perfect. I totally understand that but I just think the whole "fingers in our ears we aren't ....ing listening" bull.... that the Republicans are pulling is ridiculous. It is pulling this country apart and leading to the massive misinformation of the masses.

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Boos are a part of life. Obama has been booed. Was it wrong of the dems to boo the president? Yes. I can deal with decent but out right yelling out that the president is lying to the american public is something else entirely.

Neither side is perfect. I totally understand that but I just think the whole "fingers in our ears we aren't ....ing listening" bull.... that the Republicans are pulling is ridiculous. It is pulling this country apart and leading to the massive misinformation of the masses.
if you let them tell it, it's *Obama* that is dividing the country...

so really both sides are saying the same thing

and i'm sure both feel like they're being the bigger person.



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...but I just think the whole "fingers in our ears we aren't ....ing listening" bull.... that the Republicans are pulling is ridiculous.
both sides are extremely guilty of partisan politics and have been for a very long time. they pit us against each other.

there used to be a time when debates could happen and afterward representatives would go for a round of golf or something. now it's just crazyness from both sides.
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Yeah, but what you're not mentioning, and maybe not even acknowledging, is that Obama is striving for bipartisanship.
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At least he didn't try to recreate a few of the scenes from "Blazing Saddles."
I'm still rather amazed at the levels of churlishness from our elected officials, who were too busy to actually listen to what President Obama had to say and spent more time on their Blackberries (and other PDA's). I'd be more than a little upset if my representative(s) weren't paying attention for this issue.

I remember seeing a few Democrats committing similar antics during the Bush years, but never to this extent; quite frankly the level of vitriol wasn't in them. I have to agree, neither side are being completely civil.

At least no one got into a fist fight during the assembly last night.

The rebuttal from Louisiana was horrid, and borderline incoherent other than the message of "our political party is incapable of compromise." Rather hoping that Charles Boustany will not remain in office and someone willing to further gains for his constituents could be put into his office.



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The rebuttal from Louisiana was horrid, and borderline incoherent other than the message of "our political party is incapable of compromise." Rather hoping that Charles Boustany will not remain in office and someone willing to further gains for his constituents could be put into his office.
It was as if he hadn't even listened to Obama. Its just unbelievable.
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Both sides suck.

What we're seeing is that the majority of people who say anything about politics are more than happy to ignore bad behavior out of their favorite party provided the 'other guys' do something worse. This is no surprise, and pretending that our 'political system' is anything more than fake reality-TV-style drama is getting pretty old.

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Old 09-10-2009, 09:13 PM   #21
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Agreed, and I blame both parties. I don't blame Obama, because he doesn't seem to give into this behavior as much, but its a childish fued.
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Too Funny....
One politician called another one a liar so we're supposed to be upset.. Obama should have said "so are you and a Darn good one or you wouldn't have made it as far as you did in politics"
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there used to be a time when debates could happen and afterward representatives would go for a round of golf or something. now it's just crazyness from both sides.
That is still the case, it's just that nowadays, politicians are no more than actors for our viewing pleasure, much like a 3-piece suit and tie version of WWE.

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Yeah, debates have to happen in areas where people commonly think about more than their Starbucks order after everyone with a party affiliation and everyone without a grasp of elementary reasoning has been stabbed in the eyes.

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This is one of the most blatant display of disrespect for a president that I have seen in quite a while.
I'm not so sure.... he kept his shoes on throughout the entire incident.

Heckling is part of the parliamentary game.. "You lie!" simply shows a lack of imagination on the part of the heckler.
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