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Old 03-05-2009, 08:50 AM   #1
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Gary Kramer R-36 Turbulence vs. Schecter Hellraiser C-7

This is my first post, so hi everyone out there.
I hope this is the right section to post this.

I'm currently having a severe GAS attack between these 2 models:

Gary Kramer R-36 Turbulence.
Gary Kramer Guitars

Pros:
- Extended range (36 frets)
- Weirdness factor (I will count it as a pro)
- Stock _price_ (I'd be getting a stock model, not a hot-rodded)
- I have read a thread in this forum, i think, and there were several opinions stating that it's a really nice instrument.

Schecter Hellraiser C-7 FR
Schecter Guitar Research
(Can find a direct link to the new website. Apparently everything flash.)

Pros:
- Really nice looking finish (I love the BCH one)
- EMGs (i like them, planning a possible 18V mod)
- And most important: I tried a supposedly similar model (Loomis sig.) and it just sounds and feels _great_.

This is going to be my first 7-string guitar, so any feedback would be most welcome (Pros, cons, another suggestions,...) Which one would _you_ get?

Thanks in advance to everyone.
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Old 03-05-2009, 08:54 AM   #2
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It's hard to compare these two, because they are so different. Since you obviously like the look of both, we can throw that out the window.

But, let's look at the obvious;

With the Kramer, you only have the bridge pickup. How important is a neck pickup to you?

You said you liked the Loomis. Having owned a Loomis and played the C-7 I can tell you they aren't as similar as you would think. The Loomis neck feels a bit thinner and the satin finish gives it a very different feel. The body wood in the Loomis is ash, while the C-7 is mahogany. Which gives them pretty distinctly different tones.

Hope this helps.
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Old 03-05-2009, 10:30 AM   #3
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well for the reduced price (700$) I'd go for the Gary kramer a really unique instrument...but I already have a quite normal 7 string guitar...
If you need the neck pickup you can buy the R29 (Gary Kramer Guitars)
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Old 03-05-2009, 10:38 AM   #4
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That Gary Kramer may have 36 frets, but access past about the 26th fret looks horrible. Honestly, all those extra frets just seem really gimmicky and impractical to me.

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If you need the neck pickup you can buy the R29 (Gary Kramer Guitars)
But where would you put it? There's absolutely no room on that guitar for another pickup.
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Old 03-05-2009, 10:49 AM   #5
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That Gary Kramer may have 36 frets, but access past about the 26th fret looks horrible. Honestly, all those extra frets just seem really gimmicky and impractical to me.


But where would you put it? There's absolutely no room on that guitar for another pickup.
Yeah, I was going to throw out there that 27 looks like the absolute last "playable" fret, unless you're tapping over the top.

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Old 03-05-2009, 10:52 AM   #6
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That Gary Kramer may have 36 frets, but access past about the 26th fret looks horrible. Honestly, all those extra frets just seem really gimmicky and impractical to me.


But where would you put it? There's absolutely no room on that guitar for another pickup.
1) the higher frets are basically intended for tapping
2) if you click the link you'd answer your own question

With that said, I'd probably grab the Kramer as others have pointed out it's a unique instrument... and with the large price break right now it's a good time to pick one up

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Old 03-05-2009, 11:09 AM   #7
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I hate to derail the OPs thread, but technically this is one of those 36 fretters too...but 10,000x more amazing than the regular ones:

Gary Kramer Guitars

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2) if you click the link you'd answer your own question
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Note to self: try out a Kramer 7 string asap.
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^^^^^^this makes me wanna buy one just to do filthy things to it like that!
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Old 03-05-2009, 11:18 AM   #11
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That swirl is awesome, but it's also $1200 more than the base model

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Old 03-05-2009, 11:25 AM   #12
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yeah, i dont know what a swirl job would cost. but i guess he warrants the increase by saying he had the swirl done, had wiring and pickup upgraded, and it has now become one bad mofo of a guitar.

wonder how it would stand next to a UV......

I would also think these hot rod prices reflect pricing when he was selling these guitars at 1399 and not at his current mark down

this one is also quite tastey


To the OP...I HATE YOU

not really...but you just brought back some serious gas that i had been reperessing for almost 2yrs!

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The swirl is sexy.

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Old 03-05-2009, 12:31 PM   #14
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I hate to derail the OPs thread, but technically this is one of those 36 fretters too...but 10,000x more amazing than the regular ones:

Gary Kramer Guitars

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^^^^^^this makes me wanna buy one just to do filthy things to it like that!


Have fun playing that low B on the side of the fretboard!
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Old 03-05-2009, 01:36 PM   #15
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Have fun playing that low B on the side of the fretboard!
That looks like it may just be because of the camera angle

That and I'll second the thanks to the OP, I hadn't realized they price dropped these before this thread

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First of all, thanks a lot for all the replies.

On the subject of the neck pickup: I don't really use it, so it's not an issue.

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You said you liked the Loomis. Having owned a Loomis and played the C-7 I can tell you they aren't as
similar as you would think. The Loomis neck feels a bit thinner and the satin finish gives it a very
different feel. The body wood in the Loomis is ash, while the C-7 is mahogany. Which gives them pretty
distinctly different tones.
Great info. I assumed there would be tonal differences due to the different woods, but overall wouldn't be so different. Looking to both necks... Which one would you say that feels 'softer' to play? Loomis sig.?

Looking at the design of the Turbulence the advantage of the 36 frets would be easier access to 24th-26th frets. You should hace _really_ thin fingers to play higher frets that 26th.The rest would be mostly for tapping,making annoyingly high pitched noises and face-melting factor.

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Have fun playing that low B on the side of the fretboard!
That might be a pain in the ass. A diagonal cut in the fretboard sacrificing higher frets in the low strings (Like R-29 model) could solve that issue. Otherwise a readjustment in the pick attack technique could be required.
... But it's not easy to play with an exquisite attack with the most-tiny-point of the pick while in a death metal frenzy.

The swirl is awesome, but out of budget right now.

Back to the GAS...
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Old 03-05-2009, 01:51 PM   #17
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Holy crap! The Kramertorium is down to $749! Dammit!!!

EDIT: I'd personally get the R-26 with the single in the neck. You won't lose much playability and gain a bit of versatility. The Loomis is an awesome guitar (much better than the HR in my opinion) but I love the uniqueness factor of the Kramers.
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Old 03-05-2009, 02:45 PM   #18
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i'd go with the Kramer, but i really like weird ...., so i'm sure that's influencing my decision
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Old 03-05-2009, 04:21 PM   #19
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Holy crap! The Kramertorium is down to $749! Dammit!!!

EDIT: I'd personally get the R-26 with the single in the neck. You won't lose much playability and gain a bit of versatility. The Loomis is an awesome guitar (much better than the HR in my opinion) but I love the uniqueness factor of the Kramers.
unless I missed something he was looking for a sevenstring right? The R-29 has only 6....
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Old 03-05-2009, 04:31 PM   #20
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Didn't Uli Jon Roth's 7 string Sky Guitar had 36 frets also? And that everything after 27th fret was a fretless on that axe?
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I'd also weigh in the fact that the Hellraiser has an OFR whereas the R-36's trem looks to be a licensed one.
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Old 03-05-2009, 08:27 PM   #22
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the inlays on the kramer are sick.

the knee rest is kinda weird tho.
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Old 03-05-2009, 08:52 PM   #23
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so to the OP, youre getting alot of input here about the two guitars.

I dont think many actually own the 36 fret monstrosity but what I can say is maple neck/fingerboard + mahogany body + Bolt-On construction= SNAP + CLARITY.

I owned the Hellraiser for all of 5 days before returning it. it felt good, the neck was amazing...but it lacked some serious mojo and sounded like mud. whats more is I'm not so sure all mahogany is the way to go with a 7. obviously it is done, but you cant get that cutting tone that you can get with a bolt on or set maple neck. makes a world of difference.

If youre a rhythm player, hellraiser is a good guitar but its a warm guitar and takes a bit to coax the monster out and most of that is from the preamps in the pickups

The R-36 looks like it is a lead guitarists guitar...no, not just because it has 36 frets but because of the wood combo. I'd say get the T-1 that they have left(its the non-tremelo version; the tremelo one is sold out) and let her rip. I can gaurantee, unless ther is some serious design flaw, that wood combo will slay. and it has a no name pickup, but there are plenty of pickups you could swap it out for(my favorite being and EVO7) and youd still be way under what the original cost of the guitar costs($1399 USD) and cheaper than the hellraiser as well. on top of that youd have really unique and rare guitar.
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I've been trying to make the same decision, between getting the 09 schecter catalog a few weeks ago and finding out about the Kramer price drop. Not much to add, but I hope some ss.org person gets a Kramer soon so we can hear more about it. I did email Gary Kramer and they said the r36s will be in stock in a few months.
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Cool thing is with the R-36 Turbulence... if someone makes fun of your tapping you can use it as a battle axe and split their head in half.

Easily.
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