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Old 05-25-2008, 09:29 PM   #1
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432 Hz

Fellow brothers and sisters

It is my honour to present this information to you.

432Hz

Its true, it does sound and feel better, brighter (yet a bit lower) , sustains more.

I implore you, if you have a tuner that goes to 432 Hz, please try it.

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Old 05-25-2008, 09:39 PM   #2
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Hrm. i actually use 444hz, just cause i sorta did it by accident, and it stuck
ill try it out sometime. i dunno if it will make a huge difference though

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Old 05-25-2008, 09:45 PM   #3
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cool stuff, I'll get a better tuner sometime and check it out

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Old 05-26-2008, 12:38 AM   #4
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My tuner goes to 432Hz. I'm going to try it out later.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:06 AM   #5
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I definitely support the idea of being free to experiment with tunings and changing your reference pitch.

If tuning down to 432 sounds better to anyones taste they should go for it.

But the reasons given on that site are utter nonsense to me.

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In 1939 Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels dictated 440Hz as the standard tuning pitch. This to let people think and feel in a certain manner, and to keep them a prisoner of a certain consciousness. This in spite of that Professor Dussaut from the Paris Conservatory wrote a referendum that was signed by 23,000 French musicians who all were for the preservation of the A= 432Hz
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In 1936, an international conference recommended that the A above middle C be tuned to 440 Hz. This standard was taken up by the International Organization for Standardization in 1955 (and was reaffirmed by them in 1975) as ISO 16. Since then it has served as the audio frequency reference for the calibration of pianos, violins, and other musical instruments.

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Music on a basis tone of A=432Hz is more transparent, more marked, clearer, gives an obvious musical picture and the Overtones and undertones moves more freely and can multiply themselves more. Music based on 440Hz represents emotions and locks up the head. By lowering the pitch 440Hz - 8Hz to 432Hz, the music changes. Which first was painful to the ear changes into a beautiful, warm music whereby relaxation is natural. Overtones are decisive for the sound, this holds for instruments as well as the human voice. The piano tuned in A= 440Hz creates an artificial clarity and strengthens the high stress levels of today. The instruments on which Mozart and Verdi composed their masterpieces were in 432Hz -is the same as C=256Hz- pitched. The original Stadivarius violin was developed to resonate at 432Hz.
Again, if whoever wrote this finds these subjective qualities to be true for them then fine, but claiming those qualities are universal is nonsense imo.

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Old 05-26-2008, 01:15 AM   #6
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I agree with Durero, that is very subjective. To each their own, but this wouldn't work when playing with synth instruments or standard piano.

Mind controlling 440Hz conspiracy theory anyone?

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Old 05-26-2008, 01:21 AM   #7
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What if I don't want my music to be warm and relaxing?

Besides, I listened to that crappy Bobby dude's music that they links to and it kinda made me feel angry, not relaxed.
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We hear A as 440 and 432 seems a bit flat to our ears. I think some hear this and think about it too hard. This link was really cool though. Summary

anyone here about the violinist playing sub-harmonics?

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Durero, my thoughts exactly. youre just way more vocal about it
its really like tuning, and being a bit flat is all. i dont see how it would make a huge difference. Other than it just sounding better to your ear (i prefer the sound of a C# ot that of an E), i dont see there being an actual resonance difference. I mean, the resonant peaks of 2 similar pieces of mahogany vary enough to make that non viable

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Old 05-26-2008, 01:45 AM   #10
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Durero, I agree 100%.

I thought that what the guy was saying was absolute nonsense. If you prefer 432 to 440, then use it, but don't believe that guy's rambling:

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Music on a basis tone of A=432Hz is more transparent, more marked, clearer, gives an obvious musical picture and the Overtones and undertones moves more freely and can multiply themselves more. Music based on 440Hz represents emotions and locks up the head. By lowering the pitch 440Hz - 8Hz to 432Hz, the music changes.
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:49 AM   #11
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thats fair enough,

just spreading the knowledge amigos

432 is the natural resonance of the body (and other things), 440 hz is not liked by many singers because over time 440 can tear vocal chords, many opera singers sing in 432 as it is the natural pitch.

Stradivarius violins were crafted to 432 hz.

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Old 05-26-2008, 02:35 AM   #12
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What I would like to hear is the A=432 hz reference pitch used in an aggressive, fast, heavy (read: metal) context. All the clips I have listened to have been mellow styles and it worked fine for those, but how does it work in a heavy and aggressive context? That's what I want to know.

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Old 05-26-2008, 02:53 AM   #13
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What I would like to hear is the A=432 hz reference pitch used in an aggressive, fast, heavy (read: metal) context. All the clips I have listened to have been mellow styles and it worked fine for those, but how does it work in a heavy and aggressive context? That's what I want to know.
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there you go bud, Lacuna coil is on there

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Old 05-26-2008, 03:04 AM   #14
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there you go bud, Lacuna coil is on there
That wasn't exactly what I had in mind... dark yes, but that's in a sludgier gothic sense, not what I was really talking about. My gut instinct would be that this 432 reference wouldn't be as effective or noticable on more aggressive faster songs.

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Old 05-26-2008, 03:10 AM   #15
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That wasn't exactly what I had in mind... dark yes, but that's in a sludgier gothic sense, not what I was really talking about. My gut instinct would be that this 432 reference wouldn't be as effective or noticable on more aggressive faster songs.
yeah its noticeable even on ear melting distortion and multiple guitars.

lol sorry that was the only link that didnt have mellow music on it

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Old 05-26-2008, 03:19 AM   #16
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FWIW, Candlemass' first disc was Eb where A=423. (Twenty three, i'm not typoing)
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With respect for your enthusiasm for this tuning olsta - I love seeing musicians (and people in general) questioning given standards and exploring alternatives - I don't buy the reasons you're listing here. But again, if you simply prefer 432Hz to anything else that's totally cool

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432 is the natural resonance of the body (and other things)
Who's body and which body part? I can't think of any examples of physical resonance in the body which would be the same frequency in two different people.

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440 hz is not liked by many singers because over time 440 can tear vocal chords,
Yes 440 is a tiny bit higher than 432 so it could be a tiny bit harder on vocal chords when singers are singing at the top of their range, but by that reasoning anything lower than 432 would be even better.

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many opera singers sing in 432 as it is the natural pitch.
How is it natural?

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Stradivarius violins were crafted to 432 hz.
Stradivarious far predated any pitch standardization and fixed pitch instruments from that time (organs, pitchpipes) have been found to vary anywhere from 380Hz - 480Hz, do you know of any evidence for this claim?


The linked articles in this thread mention Rudolph Steiner (Rudolf Steiner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) as being a proponent of 432Hz. If Steiner said 432Hz is good for some kind of mystical reasons then I'm open to that idea, even if only because I've experienced first-hand the products of the type of farming he developed (bio-dynamic) and he certainly knew what he was doing in that area.
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^Another excellent post by Durero. Good points on everything.

There is nothing magical about 432 Hz. Also, 432 Hz is only the designation for one note. Does making the A above middle C 432 Hz suddenly make all notes relative to that mystically beautiful?

And, if 432 Hz is the "natural resonance of the body," then I guess the body only resonates when you play the A above middle C at 432 Hz.
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Given that guitars all have different construction, made from different woods etc, it is INCREDIBLY unlikely that they all resonate at 432hz. I think the original poster needs to look into resonant frequencies.
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I highly doubt that ANY instrument can be "built to resonate at XXX Hz". If your instrument was designed to resonate at a particular frequency, that one note would either sound amazing or .....
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I highly doubt that ANY instrument can be "built to resonate at XXX Hz". If your instrument was designed to resonate at a particular frequency, that one note would either sound amazing or .....
Indeed. This sort of resonance results in wolf tones, which instrument makers usually strive to avoid.
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Music on a basis tone of A=432Hz is more transparent, more marked, clearer, gives an obvious musical picture and the Overtones and undertones moves more freely and can multiply themselves more.
Wow, total epic fail. What the hell does this even mean? Seriously, I'm trying to critique this statement but it's so nonsensical that anything I can write just sounds retarded too.

I mean, if you prefer the sound of A432, I've got no problem with that, but pretty much everything written on that page is total BS.
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Old 05-26-2008, 12:06 PM   #23
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A man was once told that his practicing medicine was "full of snake oil"


He responded with, "Snake oil is full of omega 3 fatty acids"


Its all in the "ear" of the beholder, as it were.
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It sounds like it could be an excerpt from Tone Secrets "They" Don't Want You To Know About by Kevin Trudeau.

Lots of people like the sound and feel of instruments when they're tuned a little lower than "standard" tuning. Look at the number of players who have recorded and play live tuned down a half step or a whole step. And of course, the trend toward playing guitars with seven, eight or more strings, to enhance the tonal range of the instrument. I don't think there's anything magic about the A=432 Hz tuning.
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Old 05-26-2008, 02:51 PM   #25
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I got the two Lacuna Coil tracks and cut them up randomly on Cubase, so its sometimes 432 and sometimes 440

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Listen/watch for yourself.

Personally, I can't notice any difference in tone, I just think it sounds a little out of tune now and again. Maybe I'm just not at that stage of musical understanding where I can appreciate stuff like this......
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