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Old 02-06-2008, 07:56 AM   #1
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Holy ....! (primary results)

(I felt the results deserved it's own thread)
National overview - 2008 Primary Results - MSNBC.com
My mom tells me this morning McCain won NJ
And Hillary came out on top in jersey as well.
But if you look at the numbers:
599,620 for Hillary
309,622 for McCain
So we're still democratic

The states Hillary took were by a margin on 10%, but some of the states Obama took were landslides.
Hillary is still on top according to that site by 100 delegates

EDIT:
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Obama claims delegate lead - Mike Allen - Politico.com
Obama came out on top Can't really seem to find consistent info.


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Old 02-06-2008, 10:56 AM   #2
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Election Center 2008: Delegate Scorecard - Elections & Politics news from CNN.com

At the moment, Clinton's leading 783 vs 709. Obama won the popular delegates, but Clinton's got 90 more super delegates.

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Old 02-06-2008, 11:10 AM   #3
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How does Clinton have more super delegates? Its pretty obvious that Obama is just picking up more and more steam as time goes on. And that site... I thought a superdelegate had much more voting power than a normal delegate? So why would they be added in and counted all the same?
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:21 AM   #4
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How does Clinton have more super delegates? Its pretty obvious that Obama is just picking up more and more steam as time goes on. And that site... I thought a superdelegate had much more voting power than a normal delegate? So why would they be added in and counted all the same?
Delegates represent all the votes from one precinct. So, when people go to vote in the primaries, the winner from there precinct gets one delegate vote. Superdelegates are party officials: senators, representitives, governors, long standing/ranking members of the DNC, etc. They each get one delegate vote. So, one superdelegate has the power of an entire precinct of voters.

This is why I do not like superdelegates. They have far too much power to sway the vote. As in this case, where Obama came out ahead last night, but Hilary has the lead because she is the choice of the rank and file. I find superdelegates every bit as ridiculous as the electoral college.

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Old 02-06-2008, 11:24 AM   #5
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Delegates represent all the votes from one precinct. So, when people go to vote in the primaries, the winner from there precinct gets one delegate vote. Superdelegates are party officials: senators, representitives, governors, long standing/ranking members of the DNC, etc. They each get one delegate vote. So, one superdelegate has the power of an entire precinct of voters.

This is why I do not like superdelegates. They have far too much power to sway the vote. As in this case, where Obama came out ahead last night, but Hilary has the lead because she is the choice of the rank and file. I find superdelegates every bit as ridiculous as the electoral college.
I did not know that. Wow, how ridiculous.



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I find superdelegates every bit as ridiculous as the electoral college.


I do not like them either. Mainly because they were created to sway the votes out of peoples hands, because they felt the people en masse were too ignorant to make decisions about government.

Which goes against everything the country was *supposed* to be founded on. Then again... There are a lot of examples of hypocrisy upon the founding of the country.

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Election Center 2008: Delegate Scorecard - Elections & Politics news from CNN.com

At the moment, Clinton's leading 783 vs 709. Obama won the popular delegates, but Clinton's got 90 more super delegates.
Though, to be fair, Clinton had a larger superdelegate margin coming into the primaries last night, so that's actually an Obama gain.

Honestly, it's tough NOT to see last night as a win for Obama. He won more states than Clinton by a margin of almost 2:1, and only came in about 20 delegates behind (last I saw) in the delegate count. Considering Obama's support is more grassroots than Clinton's, and it's tough to run a grassroots campaign in 22 states at once, that's a remarkable showing.

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Which goes against everything the country was *supposed* to be founded on. Then again... There are a lot of examples of hypocrisy upon the founding of the country.
Actually, you would be wrong. Vote was originally only the right of white, male landowners. No one else was considered qualified enough to be trusted with such an important responsibility. The president was to be elected by Congress, since the masses were considered incapable of considering the candidates for the job and making the right decision. Even after that changed, the electoral college was implemented to prevent a regional candidate from running away with the popular vote.

I know it is hard to stomach, but our founding fathers, by and large, were rich, slave owning, elitist snobs. I may be a student of the work of Thomas Jefferson, but I never forget that he was a wealthy plantation aristocrat who fathered illegitement children with the very people his government denied citizenship to. For someone who's core philosophy was the government that governs best governs least, he did plenty to expand the powers of the federal government and the office of president, going so far as to illegally spend federal tax dollars on a massive land purchase that was never authorized by Congress.

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Noodles's Amer'kan History X.


he's also absolutely correct. The Founding Fathers had an insane fear of rule by the rabble.

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Just want to throw in that I voted Obama.


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By May 6, when Indiana votes, the elcetion will probably still be undecided. Weird, huh?
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Old 02-06-2008, 01:49 PM   #12
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Just want to throw in that I voted Obama.
Our primary isn't until Feb 12.

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Noodles's Amer'kan History X.


he's also absolutely correct. The Founding Fathers had an insane fear of rule by the rabble.
Which was what I was trying to say, guess I didn't back up my fact right. But that was the idea

How many more states are there left to vote in primarys?

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Project Vote Smart - State Presidential Primary Dates

A lot.

Next Tues with VA,MD and DC will be big. Mar 4 with TX and OH will be huge.
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We've had about 30 states vote so far. 20 more to go, with a LOT of electoral votes still out there.

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Just want to throw in that I voted Obama.
My wife & I did too. My parents & sister all voted for Clinton however.
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No more Mitt Romney. I didn't like that guy much, though.
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Official delegate total is now 861 Obama and 855 Clinton according to MSNBC.
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MSNBC - Politics - Political News & Updates Front Page

Right under the Romney story. CNN has a TOTALLY different count though, so I'd just go by "it's still anybody's game"
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Official delegate total is now 861 Obama and 855 Clinton according to MSNBC.
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Project Vote Smart - State Presidential Primary Dates

A lot.

Next Tues with VA,MD and DC will be big. Mar 4 with TX and OH will be huge.
Holy crap i get to vote! :isturning18onthe22nd:

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Right under the Romney story. CNN has a TOTALLY different count though, so I'd just go by "it's still anybody's game"


Both MSNBC and CNN are publishing projected delegate counts, based in part on the pledges of delegates and superdelegates who may not have voted yet.

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The Democrats method of portioning out delegates is an utter cluster..... Some are based strictly on how the entire state votes. Some go depending on districts. Some, the super delegates, can do any goddamned thing they please.

If nothing else this much overthinking of something that should be fairly simple shows why the Democrats are so damned ineffective. They have to suck up to and appease everyone and never seem to get anything of substabnce done.

It truly worries me that after the Democrats totally dropped the ball in 2004 they could do it again in 2008. With the super delegates and the very real possibility Michigan could have another primary. The Democrats could wind up losing a golden oppurtunity in 2008.
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Actually, eric, the DNC's primary makes perfect sense if you consider the purpose for which it was designed - first, to draw out the nomination process over some months, to allow a large number of states to vote, and second, to leave enough power with the party officials so that in a close (or, sadly, not so close) race, they have room to negotiate.

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