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Old 06-06-2012, 05:28 AM   #1
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Essential pedals

I've got a gig coming up with a fairly successful local band, playing a really good venue and i need to sort out my live sound properly. Essentially at short notice i've been hired to fill the gap as they've been playing with only one guitarist for around 12 months. To introduce me as a new member they want me to play the entirety of a solo to a song they previously shared between two guitarists. This is where my problem has become apparent.

As it stands i run a Marshall JCM900 combo amp. Previously to get a volume boost, on cleans i used a compression pedal and to get a lead boost i ran a BOSS Metalcore pedal through the clean channel. This causes a lot of feedback. Running the metalcore on the distorted channel doesn't sound so good so i need to hit two pedals for solos as well.

Recently i've been advised that overdrive sounds better than distortion, i play heavy metal (at lamb of god sorts of heavy) and i would have thought overdrive wouldn't cut it for that. I've also been told about noise gates, boost pedals and EQ pedals.

I wondered what pedals you guys would say are essential for playing this sort of music live and getting an appropriate boost for solos. I don't necessarily need specific pedals though any that you consider particularly good would be appreciated.

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Old 06-06-2012, 05:36 AM   #2
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An overdrive for boosting solos would usually be run thru your dirty channel, not the clean one. Given that you have a JCM, and those usually give a pretty good lead tone, any of the little green boxes should suffice. Additionally you should consider getting a delay, mainly to spice up your solos a bit. I would consider that the very basic. A noise gate is always useful, EQ depends on how versatile the amp already is.


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Old 06-06-2012, 05:36 AM   #3
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An overdrive to tighten up the gain channel (In your case, to add a bit of gain and tighten things up since the JCM900 is relatively "low gain"), maybe an EQ in the loop to give you a volume boost and some tone shaping for lead stuff, and a noise gate to get rid of noise.
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Old 06-06-2012, 05:40 AM   #4
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Yes, most people who don't know much about pedals at the time hear overdrive and go "Why would any metal player want to use that? It's got such little amounts of gain in it..." but that's because an overdrive is meant to be used on an amp that's already on a distortion setting of some kind. It's to tighten up the bass and boost the mids, which will help you cut through for a solo, among other things.

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Old 06-06-2012, 09:08 AM   #5
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This is what I did, and it seems to work well, in the limited times I got to do it. My board went compressor, overdrive, clean boost, noise gate, volume, then delay/reverb/etc
Turn the gain off and the level up on the overdrive, to push your amp harder. That and the compressor will work against the noise gate to let the notes ring out when needed, and cut them when you don't. When I went for the solo, step on the clean boost to give that extra volume to stand out. The only drawback is that with the overdrive on all the time, even with the gain off, it will make your cleans slightly less clean.
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:50 PM   #6
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I've got a line boost. My plan is to run everything through the clean channel. All rhythm can be done that way with the metalcore, i can turn that off and boost the clean with the compressor if i need to play any clean stuff (unlikely for the upcoming gig) the line boost will give me the boost for the solo. I need to keep looking with the noise gate. I tried two at the shop and they weren't that great. The MXR smartgate was recommended to me but it just doesn't cut off quick enough. The BOSS noise suppressor was all right but it didn't cancel out the feedback i was hoping for. I want to try the other MXR one at some point the noise clamp and see if thats any better.
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:59 PM   #7
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Old 06-06-2012, 10:02 PM   #8
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I love my iSP Noise Decimator to pieces. imo it's leaps and bounds better than the Boss NS-2 but that might just be me.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:04 AM   #9
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I've got a line boost. My plan is to run everything through the clean channel. All rhythm can be done that way with the metalcore, i can turn that off and boost the clean with the compressor if i need to play any clean stuff (unlikely for the upcoming gig) the line boost will give me the boost for the solo.
Quick question, if it is unlikely for your upcoming gig to use clean, why do you stick to the clean channel?

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I want to try the other MXR one at some point the noise clamp and see if thats any better.
I have the noise clamp. It is really good BUT in order to have the fastest release time possible you have to set the threshold really high. That ....s up with the sustain, so you might need a compressor in front of it. I have the threshold at around 12:00 and sometimes I don't notice the "release gasp", but when I do

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Old 06-07-2012, 05:09 AM   #10
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Old 06-07-2012, 07:56 AM   #11
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^ ditto above. Definitely recommend a TS in front to tighten up the sound. No need to go expensive if you don't want... a cheap TS7 will cut it. You'll find you won't need to dime your settings to get a heavy sound. Start at 5 with amp EQ and gain settings and go from there you will be amazed how much better your amp sounds without just "cranking it".

Get a 10-band EQ that allows you to tweak your sound and to fit in the mix.

Also, you will get feedback so get an ISP Decimator to solve that.

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Old 06-07-2012, 08:43 PM   #12
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Definitely recommend a TS in front to tighten up the sound. No need to go expensive if you don't want... a cheap TS7 will cut it.
THIS.
My $25 mxr classic OD did the trick just fine too.
And the decimator is the name of the game for noise gates. I almost hate to let go of mine, I just don't need it anymore.
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Old 06-07-2012, 09:03 PM   #13
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All previous post are useless if you dont throw your metalcore pedal in the garbage.

Dial in yourself a nice and main rythm tone on the high gain channel of the jcm900.

Now, if you want a solo boost, you can achieve it by many ways, overdrives, clean boosts, EQs etc.

Id recommend you an EQ in the loop fx or whatever you wish to own really..

Mxr noise gate works really well if its what you need/want as a noise gate. I got one.
ISP decimator is a noise suppressor, works really well again if thats what you need/want, got also one.

For pedal essentials, playing any kind of metal, id start with a noise gate, the mxr. Then id say an overdrive would come second, again mxr then a noise suppressor, the isp, then delays/eqs/fxs/clean boosts/buffers.

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Old 06-08-2012, 08:05 AM   #14
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Quick question, if it is unlikely for your upcoming gig to use clean, why do you stick to the clean channel?



I have the noise clamp. It is really good BUT in order to have the fastest release time possible you have to set the threshold really high. That ....s up with the sustain, so you might need a compressor in front of it. I have the threshold at around 12:00 and sometimes I don't notice the "release gasp", but when I do

Basically the metalcore through the clean channel sounds better than the overdrive channel with or without it. To be honest for rock sounds the overdrive channel does the job but i can't get the sound i want from it for metal.

The ISP seems to be the best gate on the market i think it's going to be my next purchase. I know that any boss pedal with the word metal in it is an automatic fail but it gives a more active sound from my passive pick ups. I do fancy the zakk wylde mxr overdrive pedal it might be something to get later on. I've head its possible with EQ pedals to dial out the feedback from other pedals but surely the noisegate makes that a bit superfluous?
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There's nothing wrong with using a pedal to get your distortion.

If you want a real metal pedal then IMO I'd step up to something "better" sounding like a Tightmetal, Emma Pisdiyauwot, AMT SS-11 or -22, Metal Muff, etc... more organic sounding.

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Old 06-08-2012, 03:23 PM   #16
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Old 06-08-2012, 03:57 PM   #17
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There's nothing wrong with using a pedal to get your distortion.

If you want a real metal pedal then IMO I'd step up to something "better" sounding like a Tightmetal, Emma Pisdiyauwot, AMT SS-11 or -22, Metal Muff, etc... more organic sounding.
Agree with everything but the Metal Muff. Most disappointing distortion pedal I ever tried. I couldn't get a single sound I liked out if it; so goddamned ice-picky and shrill.
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:13 PM   #18
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tuner, TS, noise gate and delay with good amp seems to be basic setup for lot of metal guitarists. you can leave delay if you don't play solos and cleans
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I'm considering a chorus pedal for solos. I had a bit of a play with one and i got some really cool sounds out of it on overdrive.
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Old 06-08-2012, 06:47 PM   #20
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The most important imo...
Volume pedal, tuning pedal.

If you want something that will bring versatility to your sound and amp, a Tech 21 Sansamp GT2 is an killer pedal. It's really great for dialing in some killer tones really quickly.

Visual Sounds Route 66 is another really versatile pedal. Compressor / Overdrive in one pedal. The overdrive side is a tubescreamer copy. Awesome value.

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Old 06-10-2012, 03:52 AM   #21
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That does sound quite interesting to be fair. I've often thought about a tubescreamer in the past.
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Old 06-10-2012, 04:07 AM   #22
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Just throw a Maxon 808 or an OD9 in front of your distorted channel.
You won't get much better than that. An Ibanez ts808 would be .... as well.
With an amp that's top notch like marshall tubeys, why not spend the extra $ on an 808 type?
(the 808s creamy saturated fattness really compliments that sharper marshall grit IMO.
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Old 06-10-2012, 07:31 AM   #23
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Tuner - Those polytune's look pretty swanky
Volume pedal - Didn't see the point of one until I tried, now I can't imagine playing without one
Noise suppressor - Maybe not "essential" but very nice to have
Power conditioner or similar - Some venues have terribad electric hookups, you could just use batteries though to get round this
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I've never heard of a power conditioner.

Like i said, a tubescreamer is something in the mix for later on i reckon. It'll be a noisegate next for sure.
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Agree with everything but the Metal Muff. Most disappointing distortion pedal I ever tried. I couldn't get a single sound I liked out if it; so goddamned ice-picky and shrill.
Do not use the top boost on that thing.



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