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Old 05-27-2012, 10:32 PM   #1
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What should I do?! Band preferring to play mediocrity

I feel the musicians I got are extremely underestimating themselves. They wanna play some really generic metalcore to impress a crowd consisting of teenagers, but I wanna play something with more balls. They wanna play something simple, but when I recruited them they could play mastodon, necrophagist, suffocation, dream theater and much more. But theyre seriously trying to wimp out and play texas in july. And I thought of simple and brutal songs, but they said no(hell they called Morbid Angel ugly when a week ago they loved it). Hell they pussied out on Pantera and Gojira. btw we got a show in about 4 days

This is what they wanna play


and a metal version of this



I wanna do






Its kinda sad that these guys dont get respect at all


so what do you guys think of all this
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:38 PM   #2
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Sounds like you'll need to find other guys to play with. Trying to force the issue rarely works well, unless it's straight up "your band". Even if you get them to play what you want to, it's not going to be the same as playing with guys that are totally into what you want to do. I'm speaking from experience here.

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Old 05-27-2012, 10:47 PM   #3
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Is there any chance of compromise? Like you could play that Texas in July song, but in your metal version of that other one, make it a bit more technical, or perhaps splice the guitar solo from another song like below but metal.



Do they want to play simpler stuff because they don't trust their chops, or because they prefer how it sounds? If they don't trust their chops, you could arrange things so that the trickier bits are handled by you, and they're merely accompanying you. If it's because they prefer simpler music, then you might have to find another band (or adapt to them).
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:47 PM   #4
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You really should probably just find guys who are going to want to play the same music as you. Like vbshredder said, it won't be the same if you don't.


On the other hand, if you really think Texas in July is a mediocre band, I feel sorry for you.
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:52 PM   #5
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Is there any chance of compromise? Like you could play that Texas in July song, but in your metal version of that other one, make it a bit more technical, or perhaps splice the guitar solo from another song like below but metal.



Do they want to play simpler stuff because they don't trust their chops, or because they prefer how it sounds? If they don't trust their chops, you could arrange things so that the trickier bits are handled by you, and they're merely accompanying you. If it's because they prefer simpler music, then you might have to find another band (or adapt to them).
Its either that Texas band or nothing. But I get to have 30 seconds of a song I like(pure bs). Its that they dont trust their chops and I'm surprised they chose such a lame song, when they listen to more complex stuff like Arsis and Baroness


btw I dont wanna sound narcissistic, but I was the one that originally started this, I was the one that looked for and found these guys(All by me and I got a sure). I am the only original member in this band, but it is still our very beginnings
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:55 PM   #6
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Show them some Visceral Disgorge. Sick as .... band, and theres honestly no reason those into metalcore shouldn't be all over slam like that
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:58 PM   #7
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I take it that you just do covers? If you have a similar musical taste as your band, but they just don't trust their chops, if you write your own material, you could find a good compromise of playability and heaviness. There are ways to make music complicated other than making it hard to play...
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Old 05-27-2012, 11:01 PM   #8
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I take it that you just do covers? If you have a similar musical taste as your band, but they just don't trust their chops, if you write your own material, you could find a good compromise of playability and heaviness. There are ways to make music complicated other than making it hard to play...
But we have 3 days.
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Old 05-27-2012, 11:10 PM   #9
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On the other hand, if you really think Texas in July is a mediocre band, I feel sorry for you.
Realistically, they're just a watered down version of august burns red
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Old 05-27-2012, 11:17 PM   #10
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Find yourself something else to do, i'm afraid. Don't waste your time hoping that they'll become something they don't want to be. Been down that road before and it didn't end well. sorry dude!

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Old 05-27-2012, 11:20 PM   #11
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That video for Texas In July was awesome at 1:00-1:15, then got retarded fast.


Make a compromise with them for this one show then find new people.

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Old 05-27-2012, 11:22 PM   #12
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Oh, I missed the time limit. If it were me, I'd go with the rest of the band for the gig, but have a talk with them afterwards about where they wanted it to go from there.
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Well, most bands should start simple regardless of their eventual musical ambitions, but simple doesn't mean ....ty. Find some simple, solid songs and nail them.

Is their reluctance to play based on an inability to actually play the material? Or the fact that they don't like it? That's a pretty important distinction and should really be in the front of your mind regarding whether or not you want to continue playing with them.

Ambition is great, but it should be backed up by experience. I doubt a single person on the planet prefers sloppy sweeps to coordinated chords.
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Old 05-27-2012, 11:29 PM   #14
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You really should probably just find guys who are going to want to play the same music as you. Like vbshredder said, it won't be the same if you don't.


On the other hand, if you really think Texas in July is a mediocre band, I feel sorry for you.
You are right, mediocre is a kind description, its an awful retarded band.
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Old 05-27-2012, 11:33 PM   #15
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Realistically, they're just a watered down version of august burns red


It's funny that I'm even defending them, because I'm not even a big fan of them. But to call them mediocre is just wrong.
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Old 05-27-2012, 11:34 PM   #16
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Well, most bands should start simple regardless of their eventual musical ambitions, but simple doesn't mean ....ty. Find some simple, solid songs and nail them.

Is their reluctance to play based on an inability to actually play the material? Or the fact that they don't like it? That's a pretty important distinction and should really be in the front of your mind regarding whether or not you want to continue playing with them.

Ambition is great, but it should be backed up by experience. I doubt a single person on the planet prefers sloppy sweeps to coordinated chords.
Dude I chose simple songs(like Pantera)
. But it was either too heavy or not "fun" enough
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Old 05-27-2012, 11:45 PM   #17
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If it's your band you at least get veto privilege, so you can just say no to what you don't want to play or kick them out. If I understand correctly, they aren't living up to their promises, which just isn't right.
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It's funny that I'm even defending them, because I'm not even a big fan of them. But to call them mediocre is just wrong.
This song definitely goes to show how even technically gifted musicians can still write absolutely generic music.

Regarding the band situation, it sounds like they just want to play whatever they think will make them popular with no regard for challenging themselves as musicians. If that's not your bag, then ditch them.

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.... em dude, i'll jam with you. i know half those songs up there already.
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hey, how do you embed videos here??
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playing a bunch of covers in 4 days time? Whatever you play is going to sound pretty messy with only a few days practise. I'm guessing from the tone of this, it's a high school talent quest or local band rockquest or something.

Sounds like the dudes just want to play what they like and have fun. Sounds like you're being the Buzz Killington of the lot. Start another band, leave them alone to do whatever they enjoy the most.
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Dude I chose simple songs(like Pantera)
. But it was either too heavy or not "fun" enough
I stopped reading the thread here.If you play any form of heavy music and playing ANYTHING by Pantera isn't "fun", then you just don't get it.

And that goes deeper than the actual riffs...

As for that Texas 4th of July ........sounds like every other ....in' band to come out in the last 6 years.
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Wow,that Texas in July band sucks major donkey balls I must say.

And to think people bashed nu-metal, I would take the worst nu-metal band over that ....ty band over there. Also, WTF is that Chief Keef thing? What a ridiculous song...

Dude... seriously, kick them out, find a new band, let they drown in their mediocrity.
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It's probably best to just leave the band. There's really no mitigating creative differences such as those evident here- especially when the OP is left in the "odd man out" role.

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playing a bunch of covers in 4 days time? Whatever you play is going to sound pretty messy with only a few days practise. I'm guessing from the tone of this, it's a high school talent quest or local band rockquest or something.

Sounds like the dudes just want to play what they like and have fun. Sounds like you're being the Buzz Killington of the lot. Start another band, leave them alone to do whatever they enjoy the most.

Exactly.

Also, who cares about metal covers? If you're doing it to have fun, have fun. If you're doing it to get gigs, well... how many gigging uber-heavy metal cover bands do you know?

Play the covers. Learn to be tight as a unit. Then get on to important things like writing some music. Rarely is everyone in a band into exactly the same music. While it makes it hard to pick cover songs, it will also help make your original music sound unique when all those different influences converge.
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