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Old 10-30-2011, 03:14 PM   #1
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How the .... do they afford all of these guitars?!
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Old 10-30-2011, 03:25 PM   #3
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That has the strangest neck profile... It'd be like playing one of those concrete things at the front of parking stalls.
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How the .... do they afford all of these guitars?!
I'm assuming they don't own houses or cars or have college debts or wives/kids or health insurance so even if they only make $15k they can afford to spend $10k of it on gear.
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How the .... do they afford all of these guitars?!
Damned if I know. I'm sure that Tosin's getting decent sales on AAL albums and tours, but even so, this is his second Toone this year, plus the two Strandbergs, the in-process Vik, and that new LACS. That's a lot of pricey guitars.

I'm amused that I seem to be stalking Tosin's builds: I've got his Lace customs in my new OAF, and Tom and I have been planning an all-domestic tonewood profile for the next instrument. Mine will probably have a piezo, so if Tosin gets one soon, I have evidence that I'm not copying him. =)

And at this point, I think we can officially say that Tosin has broken up with active pickups, since all of these builds have passives.

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Am I the only here that thinks they have too many guitars ??

Hell, I have 3 guitars, and I play only 1 90% of the time...
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Wow, that is ugly...but if it improves playing I guess its def worth it
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I'm assuming they don't own houses or cars or have college debts or wives/kids or health insurance so even if they only make $15k they can afford to spend $10k of it on gear.
That's what I've assumed too, it seems like even musicians in far bigger bands can't afford the gear that Tosin's hauling in.

Either way it makes me happy to see more porn!
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How the .... do they afford all of these guitars?!
He's a monster player and the center of attention when it comes to 8's it seems so he probably gets them for free or basically cost of parts. It's not like it's any secret people want what he plays on.
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Wow, that is ugly...but if it improves playing I guess its def worth it
Different strokes. Personally, I think that the superstrat body style is pretty boring, but the vast majority of players here seem to really like it. I'm used to seeing guys like David Torn and Bill Frisell playing ergonomic Kleins, so that shape is associated with "awesome musician" in my brain, but I understand that not everyone is so peculiarly wired. =)

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How the .... do they afford all of these guitars?!
When you're as talented as Tosin, guitar makers are happy to give discounts for the PR value. See, already we hear about Toone guitars and he has barely started building his guitar .
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Just to clarify, was Bulb the new Rick Nielsen then?
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He's a monster player and the center of attention when it comes to 8's it seems so he probably gets them for free or basically cost of parts. It's not like it's any secret people want what he plays on.
Not a lot of luthiers, especially smaller ones, can afford to give discounts that are super generous. I really doubt he's getting too much off the price.


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When you're as talented as Tosin, guitar makers are happy to give discounts for the PR value. See, already we hear about Toone guitars and he has barely started building his guitar .
You may not have heard of Toone before Abasi got one but he was fairly well known before he started this build.
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I have to say he gets a hefty discount. Im friends with terrance hobbs and he is always getting guitars. B c rich gave him 5 guitars for his signature release and he didnt pay. Buildersoffer him free and heavily discounted guitars all the time

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Not a lot of luthiers, especially smaller ones, can afford to give discounts that are super generous. I really doubt he's getting too much off the price.
As far as not being able to afford or they only get so much off etc.. That's what some would like you to think anyway..
I'm not saying there's something wrong with it, smaller companies can't afford to drop hundreds of thousands on advertising in big magazines and the such..but if they put a guitar in a key players hands then from that point on it's free marketing. I know a guy that signed on with a new company and they gave him EIGHT Customs...he said he'd rather have 2 (1 backup) and a bunch've cash but they gave him EIGHT freaking custom guitars. Another guy that has a Sig with one of the companies constantly talked about on here who tells people flat out for every 3 of his model sold they build him a custom to his exact specs. Or a smaller company that is always mentioned on here that just gave a random guy in a local band a free custom V for playing at their booth the one day. It's not uncommon to see some players walk around the last day or two of NAMM and end up scoring free guitars if not several. With larger companies you've got guys getting paid to leave who they're with, paid salary to play the companies guitars, or guys just getting royalties on Sig model sales. and you can't really argue it on the net because people don't want to hear the truth about something they have to pay $$$$ for themselves.
.Besides for the builder it's technically a business write off.
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As far as not being able to afford or they only get so much off etc.. That's what some would like you to think anyway..
I'm not saying there's something wrong with it, smaller companies can't afford to drop hundreds of thousands on advertising in big magazines and the such..but if they put a guitar in a key players hands then from that point on it's free marketing. I know a guy that signed on with a new company and they gave him EIGHT Customs...he said he'd rather have 2 (1 backup) and a bunch've cash but they gave him EIGHT freaking custom guitars. Another guy that has a Sig with one of the companies constantly talked about on here who tells people flat out for every 3 of his model sold they build him a custom to his exact specs. Or a smaller company that is always mentioned on here that just gave a random guy in a local band a free custom V for playing at their booth the one day. It's not uncommon to see some players walk around the last day or two of NAMM and end up scoring free guitars if not several. With larger companies you've got guys getting paid to leave who they're with, paid salary to play the companies guitars, or guys just getting royalties on Sig model sales. and you can't really argue it on the net because people don't want to hear the truth about something they have to pay $$$$ for themselves.
.Besides for the builder it's technically a business write off.
While I don't doubt that this happens with some shops, I imagine that true one-man shops like Toone and Strandberg run into diminishing returns pretty quickly with these strategies. Building free guitars for prominent artists to play to pump up interest could actually take a significant amount of time away from for-pay builds for a single builder, and high-volume interest turns quickly into a long wait list, which can become negative publicity if players get frustrated waiting for their builds.

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I have to say he gets a hefty discount. Im friends with terrance hobbs and he is always getting guitars. B c rich gave him 5 guitars for his signature release and he didnt pay. Buildersoffer him free and heavily discounted guitars all the time
That's Terrance ....in' Hobbs though. BC Rich is also a lot bigger than one man luthier setups.


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As far as not being able to afford or they only get so much off etc.. That's what some would like you to think anyway..
I'm not saying there's something wrong with it, smaller companies can't afford to drop hundreds of thousands on advertising in big magazines and the such..but if they put a guitar in a key players hands then from that point on it's free marketing. I know a guy that signed on with a new company and they gave him EIGHT Customs...he said he'd rather have 2 (1 backup) and a bunch've cash but they gave him EIGHT freaking custom guitars. Another guy that has a Sig with one of the companies constantly talked about on here who tells people flat out for every 3 of his model sold they build him a custom to his exact specs. Or a smaller company that is always mentioned on here that just gave a random guy in a local band a free custom V for playing at their booth the one day. It's not uncommon to see some players walk around the last day or two of NAMM and end up scoring free guitars if not several. With larger companies you've got guys getting paid to leave who they're with, paid salary to play the companies guitars, or guys just getting royalties on Sig model sales. and you can't really argue it on the net because people don't want to hear the truth about something they have to pay $$$$ for themselves.
.Besides for the builder it's technically a business write off.
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While I don't doubt that this happens with some shops, I imagine that true one-man shops like Toone and Strandberg run into diminishing returns pretty quickly with these strategies. Building free guitars for prominent artists to play to pump up interest could actually take a significant amount of time away from for-pay builds for a single builder, and high-volume interest turns quickly into a long wait list, which can become negative publicity if players get frustrated waiting for their builds.
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Point being companies and small shops do alot for artists. Tosin is the foreman for extended range.

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I'm assuming they don't own houses or cars or have college debts or wives/kids or health insurance so even if they only make $15k they can afford to spend $10k of it on gear.
That sentence describes me, but I still need $15k for a minimal lifestyle

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It's not the money that gets me, I don't earn that much but I have very few outgoings so can buy all kinds of cool gear.


Its how they all seem to know about these awesome custom builders ages before everyone else and always seem to be at the front of the waiting list!

How do these guys find out about these builders?!?!

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Other forums and most of them have been mentioned before?
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How do these guys find out about these builders?!?!
Online... or more than likely the builder/company approaches them...which again they're not going to approach them expecting them to pay a fortune if anything at all.
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Well Bulb and Nolly do a lot of production work and lessons I believe, so it makes sense they can afford a few nice guitars. I don't believe Tosin does production, but he certainly does lessons and AAL seem to be getting more popular of late (Ibanez has done him a few LACS models now, which tends to mean they're doing well as an artist). I imagine they make more money off of lessons as most of it goes directly to them (I assume).
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i was wondering how long it would be before he got rick toone to build a guitar for him, after the stradberg. apparently not very long at all

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