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Old 06-09-2011, 11:22 AM   #1
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The Pickup DI Track Thread

Ok, completely inspired by this thread:

http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/pic...di-tracks.html

So if you're gunna take anything from this thread or contribute anything to it be sure to rep 'artrulesmyworld' (just thank the above linked thread).

This can be the official thread to post your own DI tracks of your pickups, why you may ask? As the above mentioned genius suggested, if you're interested in a pickup, simply find the DI track here, and plug the output of your computer into your rig. Obviously the volume has an impact, I'm sure we can devise a way of setting your output volume at the correct level.

You should upload your DI clips to soundcloud, link it here and give the following format:

Pickup Brand:
Model:
Magnet Type (if optional):
Guitar woods (body/neck/fingerboard):
Bridge type (e.g. floyd rose, tunomatic):

So an example would be:

Pickup Brand: DiMarzio
Model: Crunch Lab
Magnet Type (if optional): Standard (Ceramic)
Position: Bridge
Guitar woods (body/neck/fingerboard): Alder/Mahogany/Ebony
Bridge type (e.g. floyd rose, tunomatic): Fender style floating (JP bridge)

Please contribute any advice on recording demos, and also request any DI tracks here.

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EDIT: Here are some of the forum members' contributions...

Thanks to nolly

"The guitar is a 80s Gibson Les Paul Custom, which is I guess what one might describe as medium-bright for an LP. There are two exceptions to this - the Aftermath is in my Blackmachine B2, and the Sinner is in a Fender Custom Shop Relic '62 Strat. Note there are a couple of lower output models in there too: the Riff Raff and Black Dog."

BKP Aftermath

BKP Black Dog

BKP Cold Sweat

BKP Holy Diver

BKP Miracle Man

BKP Nailbomb

BKP Painkiller

BKP Riff Raff

BKP Sinner

BKP Warpig (AlNiCo)

BKP Warpig (Ceramic)

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Thanks to SirMyghin

Pickup Brand: G&L
Model: ASAT special
Magnet Type (if optional): Ceramic
Position: Bridge / Neck, no in between, switches with hearing long chords
Guitar woods (body/neck/fingerboard): swamp ash/maple/maple
Bridge type (e.g. floyd rose, tunomatic): G&L saddle lock
And if it matters to some, played with my agate pick (influences attack)

Clip:http://www.filedropper.com/dryasatspec

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Thanks to joaocunha

"Guitar used(link)

Woods: Alder with maple top, maple neck and ebony fretboard;
Bridge: TonePros fixed bridge;"

Bridge Position

DiMarzio X2N Clean

DiMarzio X2N Riff

DiMarzio X2N Solo

DiMarzio Air Classic Clean

DiMarzio Air Classic Riff

DiMarzio Air Classic Solo

DiMarzio Virtual PAF Clean

DiMArzio Virtual PAF Riff

DiMarzio Virtual PAF Solo

Motor City Pickup Solution Clean

Motor City Pickup Solution Riff

Motor City Pickup Solution Solo

Rio Grande TX Clean

Rio Grande TX Riff

Rio Grande TX Solo

Seymour Duncan '59 Clean

Seymour Duncan '59 Riff

Seymour Duncan '59 Solo

Seymour Duncan Custom 5 Clean

Seymour Duncan Custom 5 Riff

Seymour Duncan Custom 5 Solo

Seymour Duncan SH13 Dimebucker Riff

Seymour Duncan SH13 Dimebucker Solo

Seymour Duncan SH13 Dimebucker Clean

Neck Position

BKP Cold Sweat Clean

BKP Cold Sweat Solo

DiMarzio Air Classic Clean

DiMarzio Air Classic Solo

DiMarzio Air Norton Clean

DiMarzio Air Norton Solo

Motor City Pickup Solution Clean

Motor City Pickup Solution Clean

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Schecter Jeff Loomis Sig

Pickup Brand: EMG
Model: 707 (bridge pup)
Position: bridge
Guitar woods (body/neck/fingerboard): ash/maple/maple
Bridge type (e.g. floyd rose, tunomatic): OFR 7

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/32432031/EMG...oomis%20DI.wav

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Keep 'em coming folks, if this turns into a bit of an Archive, I'll start listing them by Brand and putting minor details next to them (who made the recording and what guitar). If you want more info, then find the posts in the thread, I'll link the individual posts if it comes to it.

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Old 06-09-2011, 11:28 AM   #2
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When I get some free time I'll be able to contribute EMG 707's and a BKP Nailbomb 7.
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Old 06-09-2011, 11:30 AM   #3
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Amazing! I just reamped Nolly's clips from the above linked thread through my whole setup - EB Volume pedal, Maxon OD 808, Mesa Roadster, Line 6 DL4; everything worked as it should! It was like he was in the room playing through my amp!

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Old 06-09-2011, 11:33 AM   #4
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This is a really good idea
I think we should normalize the clips to -0.1dB? Isn't a reamp box also needed for playing back the clips?
I could do a DiMarzio DSonic 7 in the next few days.
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:04 PM   #5
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Guys, I have the DIs from the whole Bare Knuckle clip session, so that's every contemporary BKP playing that same section. It'd be a fair bit of work, but if there is demand, I will bounce them all.
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:09 PM   #6
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Nolly, you are a god that does so much already for music in this community. I don't think we should ask any more of you!
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Guys, I have the DIs from the whole Bare Knuckle clip session, so that's every contemporary BKP playing that same section. It'd be a fair bit of work, but if there is demand, I will bounce them all.
If you'll do the work I'll gladly sticky it.

Same goes for everybody else, if this starts getting contributions we can sticky it to make it more available.

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This is a really good idea
I think we should normalize the clips to -0.1dB? Isn't a reamp box also needed for playing back the clips?
I could do a DiMarzio DSonic 7 in the next few days.
Normalising is a good call, as for a reamp box, my setup works fine just from the headphone out...

Go into more detail, the better this can be well...

...the better!

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Old 06-09-2011, 12:14 PM   #9
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If you'll do the work I'll gladly sticky it.

Same goes for everybody else, if this starts getting contributions we can sticky it to make it more available.
Sounds like a plan. I'll speak to Tim and see if this is something he'd be happy to host on the BKP server since it'll be a fair amount of MBs worth of wavs
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:27 PM   #10
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I love this!!

Thoughts on normalisation - some pickups are obviously louder than others...? Anybody have any thoughts on this? My test tracks thus far sound fine straight recorded if I plug my output into the clean channel, what comes out sounds exactly like what's going in. EXACTLY alike, it's creepy actually. Normalising them adds noise and appears to be making them louder.

At the moment I have the recording level at 50% and my computer output at 100%, I'm thinking I should reverse this.

Stickiness would be awesome, can't wait to reamp some of the stuff people are offering here.

Nolly, as many as you can be bothered to do would be more than awesome, I'd be really interested to hear them.

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I'm normalising my DIs because I'm working on the assumption that my playing was fairly consistent from pickup to pickup. I used a very clean preamp/DI setup so background the noise floor should be minimal.
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I'll do this when I have a chance, for both my G&L soaps and the Rebel Yells, I am curious to run the spectral analyser over it anyway. I like this idea a lot.

The question is this: Will it end the which pickup threads. My theory... no.

I don't have the equipment to play it back like a whole lot of folks (reamping boxes and such) but I will put them up for others benefit.

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Alright, I've bounced out a fair few (wasn't as time-consuming as I'd expected). I'll host them from the Red Seas Fire site for now, I'll give links once they're up.
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I did some DI tracks of my guitars a while back so they don't fit the format but they might be useful. Should I post them? They are all in on track but 3 guitars with neck and bridge clips.

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Bare Knuckle DIs

Alright, here we go guys, a load of Bare Knuckle DIs from the website clip sessions. The DIs were captured through an Audient MiCO preamp/DI; I should stress that the recording process for these clips was fairly manic (we did 200+ clips in 4 days), so apologies for any sloppy playing/editing/clipping you might encounter, though I don't think there is anything bad enough to hamper the comparison experience. They are all .wavs exported at 44.1/24
The guitar is a 80s Gibson Les Paul Custom, which is I guess what one might describe as medium-bright for an LP. There are two exceptions to this - the Aftermath is in my Blackmachine B2, and the Sinner is in a Fender Custom Shop Relic '62 Strat. Note there are a couple of lower output models in there too: the Riff Raff and Black Dog.

Aftermath

Black Dog

Cold Sweat

Holy Diver

Miracle Man

Nailbomb

Painkiller

Riff Raff

Sinner

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This is really cool Nolly All companies should release a set of DIs so people can see how the tone works..

You should release the MIDI of the backing track so people can put it in a mix.
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It'd be a cool idea otop, but it would require a load more work to bounce out all the other guitar tracks so it's double-tracked etc.. Besides, really the idea is that people can make comparative assessments of the pickups - they can't really know exactly how a certain pickup works in their mix until they have it in their own guitar.
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Nolly, to make this work right will I be needing to use a DI box, or can I get away with a High-Z input mode on my interface?

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Its pretty wild how much clearer the aftermath sounds in the Blackmachine. I'm not sure if that clarity is a characteristic of the pickup or the guitar itself though.
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Nolly, to make this work right will I be needing to use a DI box, or can I get away with a High-Z input mode on my interface?
Well, you'll be needing an output rather than an input sir!
Although theoretically you should use a reamp box to convert the low-Z output to high-Z signal for your amp, many people just use a standard line out with little or no issue.

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Its pretty wild how much clearer the aftermath sounds in the Blackmachine. I'm not sure if that clarity is a characteristic of the pickup or the guitar itself though.
I think it's really the guitar. You're going from a fat-bodied 24.75" scale singlecut 24.75" hammer to a wafer-thin 25.5" doublecut scalpel.
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Guys, this thread has been a long time coming.
First of all, we need to all use the same format, so please can we record at 44.1khz 24 bit.
HI Z input always! if you've got a one megohm input you'll have a nice bright sound, don't use the line input as you'll get a very dull sound and it'll ruin the DI of whatever pickup you have.
No normalising please as its not a true reflection of the output of the pickup.
Can i suggest we go a further and use Voxengo's SCAN audio analyser plug in to show the frequency range of the pickup.
Riffs that have some low chugging and open power chords are great for DI'ing, something simple so that we all can play the same riff and compare the pickups in terms of frequency response.
I'll upload my Dimarzio Evo neck and Seymour Duncan SH5 once I get my guitar back.
Any suggestions on a simple chugging riff?
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Well, you'll be needing an output rather than an input sir!
Although theoretically you should use a reamp box to convert the low-Z output to high-Z signal for your amp, many people just use a standard line out with little or no issue.
Not in the market for pickups, I was going to put some up for folks to hear. They probably come with free terrible playing, and nothing near so upbeat as what you threw out there.

I don'y even know what reammping is really, except in passing but it sounds like something I want to get into. My question was more is a Hi-z input a good enough substitute for a DI box when I lay something down, so that it has a good sonic spectrum.

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Sirmyghin, a Hi Z input is essential to getting a great sound.
I know because my old audio interface had a low 250 ohm input and its at the cost of top end.
My new audio interface has a one megohm input and becuase of this i get a lot more treble. The difference is massive
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Not in the market for pickups, I was going to put some up for folks to hear. They probably come with free terrible playing, and nothing near so upbeat as what you threw out there.

I don'y even know what reammping is really, except in passing but it sounds like something I want to get into. My question was more is a Hi-z input a good enough substitute for a DI box when I lay something down, so that it has a good sonic spectrum.
Oh I see, I assumed you were asking about gear needed for reamping, not tracking DIs! In that case, yes your Hi-Z input will probably be fine, though a quality pre and DI would ensure sonic preservation and a low noise floor.
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I agree that we should have a set sample rate and stuff, that's all cool, including too many plugins I think is gunna start to limit how many people can contribute and probably ins't necessary. We're not looking for technical analysis here so much as a simple way that people can plug a line out from their computer into their rig and hear a pickup as if it were there.

I don't think normalising is a good idea, as was stated above, as I don't think it's incredibly natural, I'm open to opinions either way here though.

I've been recording (tests) so that I go through a DI into my Mac's line in (the buffered signal won't 'see' the input impedance of the mac) so that when I turn the volume on the mac up full and plug the headphone jack into my amp it sounds exactly the same as with everything bypassed, which so far has been very easy. It has also worked for my JPX and my Strat with modification and you can hear the obvious difference in output.

If someone wants to post some tab for some riffs for everyone who's going to post to learn and play (a simple chuggy riff, a simple leady riff) then that'd be cool.

Once we've set a list of easy to follow guidelines, I'll ask to get the thread cleaned up and put everything in the OP

As for recording, a Hi-Z input is all you really need, you're basically just looking for a buffer between your pickups and sound card/interface. It's not to difficult to get something that's more than good enough. I've had success in the past using a non true bypass pedal's buffer and a mixer, lol.

As for putting it from here to the amp, as said above I've been recording so that a maxed heaphone out gives a true representation, but we can agree on this. You don't need a reamping box really, most computers' line out jacks will be fine, if it isn't you'll know about it pretty quick

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