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Old 01-11-2017, 03:47 AM   #1
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Lyric videos for bands

Hey,

I am not sure if I am posting this in the right topic (if not, I ask the moderatos to kindly move it to the right place), but I know there are a lot of bands and band members in here and I'm sure some of them want a lyric video to go with their new song/release!

So... I am doing those and well if any band wants them they can contact me via PM or just simply shoot me a mail via my website =)
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I also do other business presentations and videos if someone is interested!




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When it comes to economy music videos, I would rather watch rehearsal footage put to the studio track any day of the week

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Do you do music videos, too?
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When it comes to economy music videos, I would rather watch rehearsal footage put to the studio track any day of the week
Rehearsal videos would be cool I think much better than lyric videos.
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Old 01-11-2017, 10:23 AM   #5
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Do you do music videos, too?
Yes, I do.

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Rehearsal videos would be cool I think much better than lyric videos.
I agree on that, but not a lot of bands like to do that for whatever reason and well lyric videos have become quite popular.. =)


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I would theorize that lyric videos are popular right now for two reasons-

- They're can be cheap/easy to produce relative to a full music video.

- Lots of people don't actually care about the video, it's just another device to deliver the audio that people want to hear, and it's an excuse to have the song on youtube for free. In other words, if someone wants to hear a song, they might just go to youtube first to see if someone has uploaded it- so if people are doing that anyway, the lyric video provides you an opportunity to turn it into an intentional piece of marketing (same as a music video), as opposed to having your audience land on the inevitable illegal upload making ad money off of your work instead.

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Old 01-11-2017, 10:43 AM   #7
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I would theorize that lyric videos are popular right now for two reasons-

- They're can be cheap/easy to produce relative to a full music video.

- Lots of people don't actually care about the video, it's just another device to deliver the audio that people want to hear, and it's an excuse to have the song on youtube for free. In other words, if someone wants to hear a song, they might just go to youtube first to see if someone has uploaded it- so if people are doing that anyway, the lyric video provides you an opportunity to turn it into an intentional piece of marketing (same as a music video), as opposed to having your audience land on the inevitable illegal upload making ad money off of your work instead.

Cheap..? Cheaper than a full blown video, yes...
Easy? Not really if you want to make it look good. They take quite a lot of work tbh.. I don't mean the simple background and text overlay.. I mean full blown background animation, camera shifts etc..

Example of my work (Trailer):
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In this video EVERYTHING is CUSTOM.. The planet at the start, the space scene, it has been all done by me, those are not pictures taken from the web..


And of course, videos are a market tool.. And I know for a fact that people enjoy watching lyric videos, since they can also sing/growl along.. That's at least the feedback I got.
But as it is with everything.. to each his own.


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I stand by what I said. And it wasn't a reflection of anything you posted, cause I didn't watch any of it yet. Yes, a lyric video is cheaper than a full music video most of the time. And yes, a lyric video *can be* easy to put together- arguably anyone with $70 for creative cloud, and some time to learn it, can throw together a decent lyric video- it probably won't blow anyone away, but it's doable. That's not to say a pro can't do a much better job, and I'm making no argument about the value of hiring a pro to do the job right, and it doesn't mean there isn't a lot of work involved - but a lot of work doesn't mean the same as "difficult to do".

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Old 01-11-2017, 11:08 AM   #9
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I don't think many metal bands are particularly well served by this current trend for lyric videos.

At least when the lyrics were mainly unintelligible there was always the possibility that they were nothing more than a load of juvenile toss, but at least you didn't know for sure.
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My band's instrumental, can you work with that??

Sounds like I'm joking, but I'm not. I've seen some pretty visually interesting lyric videos.
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I stand by what I said. And it wasn't a reflection of anything you posted, cause I didn't watch any of it yet. Yes, a lyric video is cheaper than a full music video most of the time. And yes, a lyric video *can be* easy to put together- arguably anyone with $70 for creative cloud, and some time to learn it, can throw together a decent lyric video- it probably won't blow anyone away, but it's doable. That's not to say a pro can't do a much better job, and I'm making no argument about the value of hiring a pro to do the job right, and it doesn't mean there isn't a lot of work involved - but a lot of work doesn't mean the same as "difficult to do".
Sure it is easy to do a bad one..

But for example to do this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb5z5AULWCw

It takes time to learn and you have to have the plugins (which aren't cheap at all - bane of my existence tbh haha)


Of course if the lyrics are BS, no video can help it hah


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My band's instrumental, can you work with that??

Sounds like I'm joking, but I'm not. I've seen some pretty visually interesting lyric videos.
Sure! (best to PM or e-mail me)
I enjoy doing all kinds of bands and stuff..
I even did a live background for a DJ that goes with his set!
(parts moving to beats, shapes appearing and disappearing etc)


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Sure it is easy to do a bad one..
Don't take any of what I'm saying as criticism. It just is what it is.

It's no different than any other form of art or expression. I mean it in the sense that anyone can download reaper and mix an album for next to nothing - it might not sound good, but they can technically do it. It's equally legit to say that if someone invested the time, they could probably come out with acceptable results.

Don't get me wrong, I've done a rush job on a lyric video before, and yeah, it turned out pretty terrible, and I'd have gladly payed someone to do a better job if I had to do it again on a time constraint. Same could go for album mixing.

Anyway, I don't mean to hijack your thread, was just thinking out loud about why there's a lot of lyric videos out there right now.

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Don't take any of what I'm saying as criticism. It just is what it is.

It's no different than any other form of art or expression. I mean it in the sense that anyone can download reaper and mix an album for next to nothing - it might not sound good, but they can technically do it. It's equally legit to say that if someone invested the time, they could probably come out with acceptable results.

Don't get me wrong, I've done a rush job on a lyric video before, and yeah, it turned out pretty terrible, and I'd have gladly payed someone to do a better job if I had to do it again on a time constraint. Same could go for album mixing.

Anyway, I don't mean to hijack your thread, was just thinking out loud about why there's a lot of lyric videos out there right now.
No worries, dude! =) It is a forum, we are all here to express, promote and share our opinions, GAS, music and work around!

It is just like when people say:"oh you can photoshop that easily" but the fact it, to do a good job, it takes time to learn the in and outs and of course the tricks of the software itself..
But sure, after some time you can learn it, I learned it myself too, it took time to get into it and get into all the little secrets no one wants to reveal etc


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lyric videos are sooooo cringey though
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Depends on the lyrics...
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As a video editor / designer myself... lyric videos are easy to do. Making them look good requires knowledge around design, yes, but that's it. If you know your stuff, you won't have any creative difficulties to do one.

I'm not talking about OP, just about lyric videos in general.
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As a video editor / designer myself... lyric videos are easy to do. Making them look good requires knowledge around design, yes, but that's it. If you know your stuff, you won't have any creative difficulties to do one.

I'm not talking about OP, just about lyric videos in general.
Of course, for us it is 'easy'.. The preparation and camera work takes the most time.. Since I like my camera to follow the words and not just write out a whole sentence

But I agree, if you know your stuff, you get into that workflow and it just goes on from there..


As in lyric videos being cringy.. I have to agree with Science_Penguin; it depends on the lyrics..


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IMO I sort of think of lyric videos as being a variety of music video - there's tons of room there to blur the lines between the two types of video and do some really creative stuff outside of just playing with animations and type, etc. I see no reason a lyric video couldn't have a story, characters, scenes, etc. Or alternatively, why you couldn't start from a traditional music video and find ways to embed the lyrics in it - you'd get a dual purpose music + lyrics video, I guess? You're definitely talking about a much bigger and more expensive production at that point, but so would be any other big creative endeavor.

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Well, okay...

I can make a power point of text and put my lyrics in the presentation and set it to music. If I copy/paste my lyrics from my liner notes or whatever, then, yeah, that process would take maybe 15 minutes.

But, on the other hand, I could walk by a guitar and my pant leg could brush against the strings and I could say that I play guitar.

Or, I could say E=mc˛ and tell you that I know the Theory of General Relativity.

Anything can be half assed or done well. If Bob Ross said he "threw a painting together," it probably looked a hundred times better than anything I'd ever paint in my lifetime.
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I didn't mean to open up a can of worms with the "easy" comment, we're deconstructing that whole thing waaaaaaaaaaay too far. Yes, it's all relative, and like anything else your results are going to reflect experience, skill, time investment, etc., and there can be a monetary value to that.

BUT

All other things being equal, a lyric video is an easier/cheaper production than a full-on music video most of the time. That's the only comments I was making. I was not saying that literally anyone can throw together something that looks professional in 5 minutes or something like that. I gave an inch, and y'all took a mile.

While people who do any sort of creative work professionally would understandably not want to admit it publicly, someone who is reasonably creative and has the time and drive to go the DIY route can sometimes come up with more-than-acceptable results. There's bajillions of things like indie games, or home studio albums, etc. to illustrate that point.

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The thing is the program in which those lyric videos are done (After Effects) has a steep learning curve and you have to get certain plugins to get it done (which are also NOT plug and play).. And I am not talking about half-assed things where you just put lyrics in a video, I am talking full blown animation etc..

And yes, I am actually planning to combine a real world video with lyrics (3D tracking the live video basically) in the near future!

The thing is, a lyric video is WAY cheaper than a music video and also less time consuming.. And I make those videos for those bands.. But also professional bands use it a lot, since it is cheaper, a great promo tool and way less time consuming.. Especially if the 'real' video is taking too long to get edited and cleaned up..


But as I said before, to each his own.. I made this post for bands that need that sort of thing and want it done for a fair price and in reasonable time-window.


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The thing is, a lyric video is WAY cheaper than a music video and also less time consuming..
Yup, and that's the whole statement I've been making, to illustrate why I think there's a lot of lyric videos out there right now.

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I'll agree, After Effects is not super friendly to newcomers, as I experienced about a year ago. Same thing goes for something like Reaper. I'm definitely not advocating trying to dive right into After Effects as an alternative to paying someone if you you want timely results.

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Yup, and that's the whole statement I've been making, to illustrate why I think there's a lot of lyric videos out there right now.



I'll agree, After Effects is not super friendly to newcomers, as I experienced about a year ago. Same thing goes for something like Reaper. I'm definitely not advocating trying to dive right into After Effects as an alternative to paying someone if you you want timely results.
I know dude, but some others took it too far I guess hah



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lyric videos are sooooo cringey though
It's mostly the music that is cringy tbh. The video just adds to the cheese



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