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Old 01-08-2017, 03:07 AM   #1
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Bringing this hunk o Junk back to life build thread(Help needed of course)

Hey guys i hope this is the right place to post something like this, but anyway little background story

Found this under an abandoned car parked in front of an abandoned house back in 2010.
All i did was take off the pick guard and literally spiders came out is was so bad. But nevertheless cleaned it up and it sat in sorage for 6-7 years.

Now it's time to put this together and i need YOUR help

First, anybody know anything about these guitars? Honestly it sounds amazing, which was VERY surprising.

You can see the guitar is in tough shape, but with it sounding so good i can't let it just sit and do nothing.


Bought so far:
New bone nut
Set of 6 tuners

Now it makes a lot of scratching sounds when changing pickups and also when the cable plugs into it, is it worth keeping and can they be cleaned or should I scrap the electronics all together and replace the pots?

I found one of these kits on amazon, or is it better to buy the pots and jack seperately and solder myself?

Are the wiring diagrams different from a fender strat?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...A11Z2GLDMWKYQT


Know a lot to read, but would like to get all the tips i can so she'll be playing in no time


EDIT: Also what other changes/fixes do you guys recommend?
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:00 PM   #2
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Unless you want to keep it original for the sake of keeping it original, I'd replace the electronics (except the pickups, since you like those). You CAN clean up scratchy pots and switches but I swear they always end up needing more cleaning. And at the end of the day, electronics are cheap.
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Old 01-08-2017, 01:13 PM   #3
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change the electronics. ezpzm8.

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Old 01-08-2017, 01:37 PM   #4
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Looks like it has el cheapo tiny pots, and the switch looks a little different from your standard 5 way. I've heard the name Mako before... if memory serves they were a Japanese guitar manufacturer that was making copies of higher end guitars (similar to how Ibanez did back in the 70s). People have said that they're very good for the price, at least in general.

I would say it's not necessarily worth very much, but it's likely to be a very solid guitar that would be worth spending a little money on.

Wiring should be effectively the same as a strat.

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Old 01-08-2017, 01:57 PM   #5
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Keep the pickups, bin the rest of the electronics and replace them.

In terms of how to wire it, frankly, stock Strat wiring sucks and is ridiculously limiting. There's a reason no other guitar ever designed has ever had two tone controls, neither of which have affected one of the pickups.


I've heard these guys make good stuff - http://obsidianwire.com/pro-wire-your-strat/
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Keep the pickups, bin the rest of the electronics and replace them.

In terms of how to wire it, frankly, stock Strat wiring sucks and is ridiculously limiting. There's a reason no other guitar ever designed has ever had two tone controls, neither of which have affected one of the pickups.


I've heard these guys make good stuff - http://obsidianwire.com/pro-wire-your-strat/
On that note, it would be a good opportunity to remove one of the tone pots and replace it with something like a killswitch, preamp, or something else cool like a switch that switches to all 3 pickups (if something like that is even possible). Old Japanese guitars were fairly notorious for doing that sort of stuff.

"Djent" is an onomatopoeia.
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Old 01-09-2017, 09:07 AM   #7
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On that note, it would be a good opportunity to remove one of the tone pots and replace it with something like a killswitch, preamp, or something else cool like a switch that switches to all 3 pickups (if something like that is even possible). Old Japanese guitars were fairly notorious for doing that sort of stuff.
Obsidian's second strat harness is Master Vol, Master Tone, and a blend pot that mixes the Neck and Bridge Pickups, so you can get something more like a middle position telecaster, and you also have a tone control that affects all the pickups instead of only Neck/Middle
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Hey guys an update

The bone nut, electronics, tuners and screws should be coming in Tuesday-Thursday.

I noticed the fret board is discolored and actually has a cote of lacquer on top, should this be removed?


Also, what do you guys recommend to get rid of the rust?

Mainly on the pickups and also the bridge as well


EDIT:
Just went with the standard 1V2T setup just cause i'm not an expert in this stuff, though simple soldering is an easy task I'm sure i'd find a way to mess something up

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The fretboard lacquer could be removed and refinished but you'd most likely have to remove the frets as well. If you don't mind picking up some tools this would be a perfect guitar to learn fretwork on.

You could also give it a good wipe with some naptha to make sure its not gunk on the lacquer.
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Old 01-09-2017, 05:19 PM   #10
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The fretboard lacquer could be removed and refinished but you'd most likely have to remove the frets as well. If you don't mind picking up some tools this would be a perfect guitar to learn fretwork on.

You could also give it a good wipe with some naptha to make sure its not gunk on the lacquer.
Honestly after ordering the parts and working on it, i'm actually really curious of doing fretwork and possibly making a new guitar, i used to do wood working like building furniture in my child and teen years, making an rg 7 string clone might be in the future


What tools would i need for fretwork/ general guitar making/fixing/setting up?

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A neck support is great to have. Seems cheesy but you'll regret not getting one at some point (ask me how I know).
A leveling beam of some kind or a fret leveling file is pretty much necessary. Theoretically a radius block that matches the radius of the fretboard could achieve the same effect...

A fret beveling file is also very nifty but if you get a leveling file I figure you can use one for both applications generally speaking.

A rounded 3-corner file is great for rounding off the fret ends.
Some people prefer to crown by hand, but there are crowning files available.

Sandpaper. Polishing compound if you want to polish them. Sanding sponges are good for giving the ends a smoother feel when you're done rounding. Painter's tape.

For building a guitar, a router can be one of your best multi-purpose tools. Some kind of work bench or work station. Drill press. Precision measuring tools like squares. Clamps, and like investing, diversity is great. Fretting saw, rasps, plane. Sanding drums. I'm sure others could add but those are some fairly essential ones that come to mind.

"Djent" is an onomatopoeia.
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This series of videos goes into absolutely everything you may need, can use, or could come up against as a problem - including how to deal with binding and/or gibson style binding "nubs"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NEfriBcFQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUIPydy2H-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW_y6vaUKJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YGYtcoSF74
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXRWe0IyOK0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU9KLy2F77s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ydbXJ2YE8Y

Tool wise you can separate it into 3 lists.

For a fret level crown and polish without removing the frets you'll need the following, plus maybe a fretting hammer (You don't need the hammer if you have no lifting frets though):

Neck Rest
Levelling File or Levelling Beam depending on preference
Masking Tape
Truss Rod Tools
Notched Straight Edge
Fret Crowning File
Fret End Dressing File
Sandpaper, various grades*
Buffing Compound**

* (Useful for rolling over fretboard edges and cleaning up file marks. Can also use the fret rubbers crimson guitars make)
** (You can do this by hand with a rag if needed but a buffing wheel or a dremel is far faster, albeit you'll need to be careful you don't burn through your masking tape).

For a full refret you'll need all of those tools plus:

Fret End Nippers
Fret Pullers
Soldering Iron *
Radius Gauges **
Fret Slot Saw
Fretting Hammer

(To heat glue joints under frets)
(Especially if you plan to re-profile the fretboard itself)

For a refret involving binding on the fretboard you'll also need:

Fret Tang Nippers
Specialist Fret Slot Cleaning Saw *

* (Because you don't want to just saw through your binding while cleaning the fret slots)
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I should mention by the way that all of the above assumes you're NOT taking off enough material to need to do anything to the nut - if you're going to get into adjusting the action at the nut as WELL, you'll need to add feeler gauges and a set of nut files.
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I would buy all new electrics and if you are keeping the pickups, I suggest Wax potting them again just to be sure.

I like that kinda sea foam green colour with a maple board and the white guard as a contrast. Nice trio of colours there. Cool looking strat.
Wonder what its story is??
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I would buy all new electrics and if you are keeping the pickups, I suggest Wax potting them again just to be sure.

I like that kinda sea foam green colour with a maple board and the white guard as a contrast. Nice trio of colours there. Cool looking strat.
Wonder what its story is??
Yeah I'm definitely in love with the colors, that's why i can't wait to fix it up.
This guitar i hear is manufactured in the late 70's to early 80's So if i had to assume maybe from 1978-1984, which definitely give this guitar some history

So watch this guitar have been on a tour with a famous band



@guitarbizare Yeah just going to do basic work, was gonna refinish the board cause dots are painted on the lacquer, but idk i love the beat up look the more i look at it, so just going to level frets, make sure it's set up properly, but fore the most part i doubt i'll be taking her apart extensively.

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UPDATE: electronics are coming in today as well as all the hardware i am replacing.

Few more items on the list are tool then i'll post work pics of me working on frets, cleaning etc.

Hopefully this weekend i'll everything i need to fix her up, also, what would you guys use for removing rust?

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