Mod: EMG Covers for Passive Pickups - Page 2

BigBaldIan · 03-12-2010, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loktide

lundgren M8

i have a M7 in my 7680 (also 27" scale) and it's a COMPLETELY different pickup than the common BKP. the lundgren has a ....TON more output, gain and bite. BKPs are also cool, but are more dynamic and have a weird 'quacky' attack to them which i'm not used to. on the other hand, i love how the warpig sounds on my rg3120.

i'll record some clips first and'll see how the coldsweat's sit in a mix. that's my major concern actually

There's always the inevitable tweak phase after you get a new bit of kit, especially after swapping out pups. At least with you showing us this mod, passives now no longer have to look aesthetically blech.

ralphy1976 · 03-12-2010, 05:56 AM

if i can chime in here for the M7. I have a slanted custom made M7 in my multiscale and it is quite impressive :

clean tone, every note is heard, no matter where i am on the fretboard, no matter what volume. really lovely creaming tone at mid volume with a nice reverb, really nice

distorted, it's where it shines : the clarity is there but the attack is enormous, heavy palm muting with those give me the impression of a huge rock being thrown in the water, that big thud..awesome!!!

the output being big, you can hold a note for a long time, i find it also really good at translating subtle pitch changes, bends, vibrato..etc...

Honestly a real nice pickup...really curious to hear what loktide has got to say about the M8

ps : all this is with a Roland cube 20X (the x is important) and all settings at noon!!!

alvaro · 03-12-2010, 06:16 AM

looks great! good job

AVH · 03-12-2010, 07:38 AM

Nice job Locktide, very clean work! Thanks for showing us - this should be made a sticky in the tech section.

I've been a Lundgren flagbearer/trumpeter for about 5 years now, using them myself and installing them for my customers and I can attest to all the attributes spoken of...except I want to bring everyone's attention to one aspect about the M-series that is misconcieved : the very high output. In actuality, the M's consistantly measure 13.0 to 13.8 ohms, which is med-high, while there are many much higher, measuring in the 16+ range. It's just in the way that they're wound and eq'd that gives the impression of very high output. Regardless, it's one of my favorite pickups, and my go-to in 7 & 8 string guitars for high gain work. Nothing gives you that 'djent' better.

Fzau · 03-12-2010, 09:34 AM

Great idea, man! Looks really cool!

I wonder if there are any covers for EMG707s, I'd like to swap them for BKP in my Loomis

6o66er · 03-12-2010, 09:42 AM

Dude awesome! Thanks for posting this! I've been wondering about how to install passives in an RGA8 since I'm planning on picking one up in the near future. Very well done!

Fred · 03-12-2010, 09:54 AM

Really nice cover-up job there, looks very tidy! As minor a detail as it is, whilst not being a massive fan of the pickups themselves I do like the EMG aesthetic, so that's pretty much a best of both worlds situation!

7deadlysins666 · 03-12-2010, 09:56 AM

Wow, those EMG casings are GREAT. That is bookmarked! Now, which ones would fit a 707 route?

possibly the DC35?

loktide · 03-12-2010, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvaro

looks great! good job

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dendroaspis

Nice job Locktide, very clean work! Thanks for showing us - this should be made a sticky in the tech section.

I've been a Lundgren flagbearer/trumpeter for about 5 years now, using them myself and installing them for my customers and I can attest to all the attributes spoken of...except I want to bring everyone's attention to one aspect about the M-series that is misconcieved : the very high output. In actuality, the M's consistantly measure 13.0 to 13.8 ohms, which is med-high, while there are many much higher, measuring in the 16+ range. It's just in the way that they're wound and eq'd that gives the impression of very high output. Regardless, it's one of my favorite pickups, and my go-to in 7 & 8 string guitars for high gain work. Nothing gives you that 'djent' better.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6o66er

Dude awesome! Thanks for posting this! I've been wondering about how to install passives in an RGA8 since I'm planning on picking one up in the near future. Very well done!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred

Really nice cover-up job there, looks very tidy! As minor a detail as it is, whilst not being a massive fan of the pickups themselves I do like the EMG aesthetic, so that's pretty much a best of both worlds situation!

thx dudes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fzau

Great idea, man! Looks really cool!

I wonder if there are any covers for EMG707s, I'd like to swap them for BKP in my Loomis

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7deadlysins666

Wow, those EMG casings are GREAT. That is bookmarked! Now, which ones would fit a 707 route?

possibly the DC35?

yep, i believe the 707 uses the EMG 35 housing.

Samer · 03-12-2010, 12:47 PM

Looks great, i wonder if only you and I have done this so far \m/

Guitarwiz2k · 03-12-2010, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loktide

first off, major props to Mesh (djpharaoah) for finding a place where you can order EMG-style bass pickup plastic covers to retrofit an EMG808 (www.guitarjonesusa.com)

BEFORE:

AFTER:

so, here's how the covers look like. pretty much exact the same dimensions as the EMG808s (EMG40 housing), but hollow (duh?). the pickups that are going into these are a set of BKP Coldsweats

since the pickup's baseplate is too thick to fit directly into the covers, i ended up sawing off the lower 5mm of the housing to get a tight fit:

here's the result:

cheers

Now that is some very good, very clean, excellent work. Thanks for the post and I hope to do the same with my RGA8, now I can have both worlds, active look, and a coil tap switch for passive sounds.

Euthanasia · 03-12-2010, 03:10 PM

Wicked idea!!

Fzau · 03-12-2010, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loktide

yep, i believe the 707 uses the EMG 35 housing.

Awesome! Now to find EMG 35 housings in Europe

yetti · 03-12-2010, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loktide

yep, i believe the 707 uses the EMG 35 housing.

Sweet, now i can find something else for my H-207.

loktide · 03-12-2010, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fzau

Awesome! Now to find EMG 35 housings in Europe

i'm from germany and although i payed almost 25$ shipping, they arrived within two weeks

Fzau · 03-12-2010, 06:31 PM

The shipping is 5 times the price of the cover

Still manageable though!

Now to get enough money to buy BKP

philkilla · 03-12-2010, 08:56 PM

Awesome. The DC35 should work great with my ran than. I used to have a EMG 81-7 in there which has been replaced by the outstanding M7 of course.

I would love to fill the unsitely gap!

Ironbird · 03-18-2010, 02:15 AM

I did the exact same thing with a set of D Activators in my old Warlock (which I've since sold). The clean look is great!

dpm · 03-18-2010, 05:38 AM

I don't mean to be a party pooper but these covers are a full 2mm thick on top so limit how close your polepieces can get to the strings by quite a lot. Realistically the closest you'll be able to get the actual pickup to the strings is 3mm (1/8"), which is about twice what is generally recommended for a humbucker.

loktide · 03-18-2010, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpm

I don't mean to be a party pooper but these covers are a full 2mm thick on top so limit how close your polepieces can get to the strings by quite a lot. Realistically the closest you'll be able to get the actual pickup to the strings is 3mm (1/8"), which is about twice what is generally recommended for a humbucker.

you're absolutely correct. that's why i readjusted the pickup height to find the pickup's sweet spot by ear. luckily, there's still enough headroom between the pickup cover and the string

JJ Rodriguez · 03-18-2010, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpm

I don't mean to be a party pooper but these covers are a full 2mm thick on top so limit how close your polepieces can get to the strings by quite a lot. Realistically the closest you'll be able to get the actual pickup to the strings is 3mm (1/8"), which is about twice what is generally recommended for a humbucker.

Only active humbuckers need to be that close. My passives are quite a bit further away from the strings than that.

dpm · 03-18-2010, 04:17 PM

It depends on how far the magnetic field extends and what kind of tonal response you end up with. Closer will give a little more output and brightness, and generally sound a touch tighter and clearer and give a better signal to noise ratio. Some passive humbuckers with weaker magnetic fields will sound very weak 1/8" or more from the strings. If the pickup has a particularly strong field it can effect intonation being too close, but it's rare with humbuckers because the magnet is 'filtered' through the steel poles. BTW these measurements are based on outside strings fretted at the last fret, and the bass side is typically further from the strings than the treble side for string to string balance.

Re. the active thing, the coils and magnet inside are pretty much the same as passives, it's the cover thickness you're compensating for in putting them closer.

I_infect · 03-18-2010, 04:31 PM

5) EMG Pickups have very little magnetism compared to high-impedance
passive pickups. We recommend you adjust the pickups as close to
the strings as possible. Sustain and string movement will not be
inhibited by close adjustment.

^taken from EMG installation PDF

dpm · 03-18-2010, 04:35 PM

That's a simplification. Yes, taken from the top of the outside of the EMG pickup cover there is less magnetism.... however, if you put a 2mm piece of plastic on top of a typical humbucker you'll find the magnetic pull effected in the same way, relative to the top surface.

Sebastian · 03-19-2010, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apophis

that was awesome, clever work

I agree with Sebastian

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03-12-2010, 05:56 AM	#27
ralphy1976 1 less ERGNESS Join Date: May 2009 Location: vienna, austria, EUROPE Posts: 6,741 Thanked: 146 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	if i can chime in here for the M7. I have a slanted custom made M7 in my multiscale and it is quite impressive : clean tone, every note is heard, no matter where i am on the fretboard, no matter what volume. really lovely creaming tone at mid volume with a nice reverb, really nice distorted, it's where it shines : the clarity is there but the attack is enormous, heavy palm muting with those give me the impression of a huge rock being thrown in the water, that big thud..awesome!!! the output being big, you can hold a note for a long time, i find it also really good at translating subtle pitch changes, bends, vibrato..etc... Honestly a real nice pickup...really curious to hear what loktide has got to say about the M8 ps : all this is with a Roland cube 20X (the x is important) and all settings at noon!!! http://keithmerrow.com/fr_home.cfm http://trewatson.bandcamp.com www.myspace.com/reanima

03-12-2010, 09:34 AM	#30
Fzau Unleash the proggies Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Posts: 1,095 Thanked: 24 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Great idea, man! Looks really cool! I wonder if there are any covers for EMG707s, I'd like to swap them for BKP in my Loomis TTWC Ben likes this. You win, I'm your bitch now. - PnKnG ...if you... if you show me yours, i... i´ll show you mine! (no, i don´t actually have anything hahah!) - MF_Kitten I just imagined Pete naked holding a Blackmachine seductively. I need to see that Hayley Williams pic again. - vampiregenocide Oh yeah, totally dude. I mean, shit, I rape my girlfriend all the time. It's tops - Demoniac

03-12-2010, 09:56 AM	#33
7deadlysins666 Avernus Pickup Noob Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Danville, VA Posts: 2,254 Thanked: 83 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Wow, those EMG casings are GREAT. That is bookmarked! Now, which ones would fit a 707 route? possibly the DC35? TTWC Ben likes this.

03-12-2010, 06:31 PM	#41
Fzau Unleash the proggies Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Posts: 1,095 Thanked: 24 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	The shipping is 5 times the price of the cover Still manageable though! Now to get enough money to buy BKP You win, I'm your bitch now. - PnKnG ...if you... if you show me yours, i... i´ll show you mine! (no, i don´t actually have anything hahah!) - MF_Kitten I just imagined Pete naked holding a Blackmachine seductively. I need to see that Hayley Williams pic again. - vampiregenocide Oh yeah, totally dude. I mean, shit, I rape my girlfriend all the time. It's tops - Demoniac

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03-12-2010, 06:16 AM	#28
alvaro agonías Join Date: May 2006 Location: Madrid - Spain Posts: 196 Thanked: 3 / 1 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	looks great! good job

03-12-2010, 07:38 AM	#29
AVH avhguitarrepair.com Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Oslo Posts: 1,588 Thanked: 35 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Nice job Locktide, very clean work! Thanks for showing us - this should be made a sticky in the tech section. I've been a Lundgren flagbearer/trumpeter for about 5 years now, using them myself and installing them for my customers and I can attest to all the attributes spoken of...except I want to bring everyone's attention to one aspect about the M-series that is misconcieved : the very high output. In actuality, the M's consistantly measure 13.0 to 13.8 ohms, which is med-high, while there are many much higher, measuring in the 16+ range. It's just in the way that they're wound and eq'd that gives the impression of very high output. Regardless, it's one of my favorite pickups, and my go-to in 7 & 8 string guitars for high gain work. Nothing gives you that 'djent' better.

03-12-2010, 09:42 AM	#31
6o66er Awful Jack-ass Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 420 Thanked: 7 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Dude awesome! Thanks for posting this! I've been wondering about how to install passives in an RGA8 since I'm planning on picking one up in the near future. Very well done!

03-12-2010, 09:54 AM	#32
Fred SS.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: London or Bristol, UK. Posts: 2,078 Thanked: 62 $Fred is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Fred is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Fred is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Fred is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Fred is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Fred is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Fred is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Really nice cover-up job there, looks very tidy! As minor a detail as it is, whilst not being a massive fan of the pickups themselves I do like the EMG aesthetic, so that's pretty much a best of both worlds situation!

03-12-2010, 12:47 PM	#35
Samer Dybbuk Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 2,338 Thanked: 72 Feedback Score: 13 reviews	Looks great, i wonder if only you and I have done this so far \m/

03-12-2010, 03:10 PM	#37
Euthanasia SS.org Regular Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Israel Posts: 356 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Wicked idea!!

03-12-2010, 08:56 PM	#42
philkilla Jesus Saves Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 639 Thanked: 14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Awesome. The DC35 should work great with my ran than. I used to have a EMG 81-7 in there which has been replaced by the outstanding M7 of course. I would love to fill the unsitely gap!

03-18-2010, 02:15 AM	#43
Ironbird B.C. Rich Maniac Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: KL, Malaysia Posts: 1,370 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I did the exact same thing with a set of D Activators in my old Warlock (which I've since sold). The clean look is great! Leave no stone unturned until I'm done.

03-18-2010, 05:38 AM	#44
dpm Oni Guitars Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Posts: 3,377 Thanked: 21 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I don't mean to be a party pooper but these covers are a full 2mm thick on top so limit how close your polepieces can get to the strings by quite a lot. Realistically the closest you'll be able to get the actual pickup to the strings is 3mm (1/8"), which is about twice what is generally recommended for a humbucker.

03-18-2010, 04:17 PM	#47
dpm Oni Guitars Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Posts: 3,377 Thanked: 21 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	It depends on how far the magnetic field extends and what kind of tonal response you end up with. Closer will give a little more output and brightness, and generally sound a touch tighter and clearer and give a better signal to noise ratio. Some passive humbuckers with weaker magnetic fields will sound very weak 1/8" or more from the strings. If the pickup has a particularly strong field it can effect intonation being too close, but it's rare with humbuckers because the magnet is 'filtered' through the steel poles. BTW these measurements are based on outside strings fretted at the last fret, and the bass side is typically further from the strings than the treble side for string to string balance. Re. the active thing, the coils and magnet inside are pretty much the same as passives, it's the cover thickness you're compensating for in putting them closer.

03-18-2010, 04:31 PM	#48
I_infect SS.org Regular Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: PA USA Posts: 1,350 Thanked: 18 Feedback Score: 10 reviews	5) EMG Pickups have very little magnetism compared to high-impedance passive pickups. We recommend you adjust the pickups as close to the strings as possible. Sustain and string movement will not be inhibited by close adjustment. ^taken from EMG installation PDF Extended Scale Destroyer of Worlds Still searching for the perfect cab...

03-18-2010, 04:35 PM	#49
dpm Oni Guitars Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Posts: 3,377 Thanked: 21 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	That's a simplification. Yes, taken from the top of the outside of the EMG pickup cover there is less magnetism.... however, if you put a 2mm piece of plastic on top of a typical humbucker you'll find the magnetic pull effected in the same way, relative to the top surface.

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