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Unread 03-12-2010, 05:53 AM   #26
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i have a M7 in my 7680 (also 27" scale) and it's a COMPLETELY different pickup than the common BKP. the lundgren has a ....TON more output, gain and bite. BKPs are also cool, but are more dynamic and have a weird 'quacky' attack to them which i'm not used to. on the other hand, i love how the warpig sounds on my rg3120.

i'll record some clips first and'll see how the coldsweat's sit in a mix. that's my major concern actually
There's always the inevitable tweak phase after you get a new bit of kit, especially after swapping out pups. At least with you showing us this mod, passives now no longer have to look aesthetically blech.
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Unread 03-12-2010, 05:56 AM   #27
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if i can chime in here for the M7. I have a slanted custom made M7 in my multiscale and it is quite impressive :

clean tone, every note is heard, no matter where i am on the fretboard, no matter what volume. really lovely creaming tone at mid volume with a nice reverb, really nice

distorted, it's where it shines : the clarity is there but the attack is enormous, heavy palm muting with those give me the impression of a huge rock being thrown in the water, that big thud..awesome!!!

the output being big, you can hold a note for a long time, i find it also really good at translating subtle pitch changes, bends, vibrato..etc...

Honestly a real nice pickup...really curious to hear what loktide has got to say about the M8

ps : all this is with a Roland cube 20X (the x is important) and all settings at noon!!!
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Unread 03-12-2010, 06:16 AM   #28
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looks great! good job
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Unread 03-12-2010, 07:38 AM   #29
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Nice job Locktide, very clean work! Thanks for showing us - this should be made a sticky in the tech section.

I've been a Lundgren flagbearer/trumpeter for about 5 years now, using them myself and installing them for my customers and I can attest to all the attributes spoken of...except I want to bring everyone's attention to one aspect about the M-series that is misconcieved : the very high output. In actuality, the M's consistantly measure 13.0 to 13.8 ohms, which is med-high, while there are many much higher, measuring in the 16+ range. It's just in the way that they're wound and eq'd that gives the impression of very high output. Regardless, it's one of my favorite pickups, and my go-to in 7 & 8 string guitars for high gain work. Nothing gives you that 'djent' better.
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Unread 03-12-2010, 09:34 AM   #30
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Great idea, man! Looks really cool!

I wonder if there are any covers for EMG707s, I'd like to swap them for BKP in my Loomis
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Dude awesome! Thanks for posting this! I've been wondering about how to install passives in an RGA8 since I'm planning on picking one up in the near future. Very well done!
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Really nice cover-up job there, looks very tidy! As minor a detail as it is, whilst not being a massive fan of the pickups themselves I do like the EMG aesthetic, so that's pretty much a best of both worlds situation!
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Wow, those EMG casings are GREAT. That is bookmarked! Now, which ones would fit a 707 route?

possibly the DC35?
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Nice job Locktide, very clean work! Thanks for showing us - this should be made a sticky in the tech section.

I've been a Lundgren flagbearer/trumpeter for about 5 years now, using them myself and installing them for my customers and I can attest to all the attributes spoken of...except I want to bring everyone's attention to one aspect about the M-series that is misconcieved : the very high output. In actuality, the M's consistantly measure 13.0 to 13.8 ohms, which is med-high, while there are many much higher, measuring in the 16+ range. It's just in the way that they're wound and eq'd that gives the impression of very high output. Regardless, it's one of my favorite pickups, and my go-to in 7 & 8 string guitars for high gain work. Nothing gives you that 'djent' better.
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Dude awesome! Thanks for posting this! I've been wondering about how to install passives in an RGA8 since I'm planning on picking one up in the near future. Very well done!
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Really nice cover-up job there, looks very tidy! As minor a detail as it is, whilst not being a massive fan of the pickups themselves I do like the EMG aesthetic, so that's pretty much a best of both worlds situation!

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I wonder if there are any covers for EMG707s, I'd like to swap them for BKP in my Loomis
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Unread 03-12-2010, 12:47 PM   #35
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Looks great, i wonder if only you and I have done this so far \m/
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Unread 03-12-2010, 01:13 PM   #36
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first off, major props to Mesh (djpharaoah) for finding a place where you can order EMG-style bass pickup plastic covers to retrofit an EMG808 (www.guitarjonesusa.com)

BEFORE: http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/l...MG_0838JPG.jpg

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so, here's how the covers look like. pretty much exact the same dimensions as the EMG808s (EMG40 housing), but hollow (duh?). the pickups that are going into these are a set of BKP Coldsweats

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/l...MG_0839JPG.jpg



since the pickup's baseplate is too thick to fit directly into the covers, i ended up sawing off the lower 5mm of the housing to get a tight fit:


http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/l...MG_0843JPG.jpg

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/l...MG_0847JPG.jpg

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/l...MG_0845JPG.jpg


here's the result:

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http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/l...MG_0874JPG.jpg

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/l...MG_0877JPG.jpg



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Now that is some very good, very clean, excellent work. Thanks for the post and I hope to do the same with my RGA8, now I can have both worlds, active look, and a coil tap switch for passive sounds.
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yep, i believe the 707 uses the EMG 35 housing.
Awesome! Now to find EMG 35 housings in Europe
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Awesome! Now to find EMG 35 housings in Europe
i'm from germany and although i payed almost 25$ shipping, they arrived within two weeks
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The shipping is 5 times the price of the cover
Still manageable though!

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Awesome. The DC35 should work great with my ran than. I used to have a EMG 81-7 in there which has been replaced by the outstanding M7 of course.

I would love to fill the unsitely gap!

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I did the exact same thing with a set of D Activators in my old Warlock (which I've since sold). The clean look is great!

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I don't mean to be a party pooper but these covers are a full 2mm thick on top so limit how close your polepieces can get to the strings by quite a lot. Realistically the closest you'll be able to get the actual pickup to the strings is 3mm (1/8"), which is about twice what is generally recommended for a humbucker.
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I don't mean to be a party pooper but these covers are a full 2mm thick on top so limit how close your polepieces can get to the strings by quite a lot. Realistically the closest you'll be able to get the actual pickup to the strings is 3mm (1/8"), which is about twice what is generally recommended for a humbucker.
you're absolutely correct. that's why i readjusted the pickup height to find the pickup's sweet spot by ear. luckily, there's still enough headroom between the pickup cover and the string
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I don't mean to be a party pooper but these covers are a full 2mm thick on top so limit how close your polepieces can get to the strings by quite a lot. Realistically the closest you'll be able to get the actual pickup to the strings is 3mm (1/8"), which is about twice what is generally recommended for a humbucker.
Only active humbuckers need to be that close. My passives are quite a bit further away from the strings than that.
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It depends on how far the magnetic field extends and what kind of tonal response you end up with. Closer will give a little more output and brightness, and generally sound a touch tighter and clearer and give a better signal to noise ratio. Some passive humbuckers with weaker magnetic fields will sound very weak 1/8" or more from the strings. If the pickup has a particularly strong field it can effect intonation being too close, but it's rare with humbuckers because the magnet is 'filtered' through the steel poles. BTW these measurements are based on outside strings fretted at the last fret, and the bass side is typically further from the strings than the treble side for string to string balance.

Re. the active thing, the coils and magnet inside are pretty much the same as passives, it's the cover thickness you're compensating for in putting them closer.
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That's a simplification. Yes, taken from the top of the outside of the EMG pickup cover there is less magnetism.... however, if you put a 2mm piece of plastic on top of a typical humbucker you'll find the magnetic pull effected in the same way, relative to the top surface.
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