Extra high string experiment

Metal Ken · 03-28-2006, 04:45 AM

So i wanted to play along to some new school testament songs, which tune to C# Standard... i had a really light guage on my Schecter from messing around with a set of strings that had equal tension on all strings, (so it was really light) so i tuned the thing from C# with a high F#.. And.. You know.. Its really freaking fun. The chords sound really cool with the extra high note.. i think i'm gonna lighten up everything a few notches and try to tune D with a high G... right now, the 9 guage is the F#.. i'm ASSUMING (havent calculated yet) that i'd be able to take an 8 up to G.. i'm actually kinda stoked about the whole thing. its SO disorienting with everything being shifted down by a string... but i'm getting the hang of it.. Arpeggio shapes are new and different lol

Hawksmoor · 03-28-2006, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

So i wanted to play along to some new school testament songs, which tune to C# Standard... i had a really light guage on my Schecter from messing around with a set of strings that had equal tension on all strings, (so it was really light) so i tuned the thing from C# with a high F#.. And.. You know.. Its really freaking fun. The chords sound really cool with the extra high note.. i think i'm gonna lighten up everything a few notches and try to tune D with a high G... right now, the 9 guage is the F#.. i'm ASSUMING (havent calculated yet) that i'd be able to take an 8 up to G.. i'm actually kinda stoked about the whole thing. its SO disorienting with everything being shifted down by a string... but i'm getting the hang of it.. Arpeggio shapes are new and different lol

Beware of string breaks, G is quite high a pitch even for .08

Ibanez_fanboy · 03-28-2006, 04:57 AM

yeah, the high g on a 12 string is usually first to break

urklvt · 03-28-2006, 07:13 AM

Dude, I used to play a lot of F# tuning with my Steinberger TransTrem. Fun!

Now if only they made a 7-string so I could go down to C#...........

Oh yeah, and it was a calibrated 0.009 string on that F#.

Toshiro · 03-28-2006, 08:13 AM

Good luck.

I'd stick with the C# though, since I'm starting to love that tuning.

Metal Ken · 03-28-2006, 01:24 PM

well, i dont think that 8 would be a problem for G.. i mean, i've got the 9 on F#, and the schecter's a 26.5" Scale. .i've done some bends on it and whatnot, and its staying put just fine. I'm probably gonna take a whirl at messing around with the string tension calculator and see if i can't come up with a decent set of strings...

Edit: Anyone know where to get 7 guages? According to some calculations, that would put about exactly the tension i want on there... but i cant seem to find them on just strings..

Donnie · 03-28-2006, 02:04 PM

Ken, I used .007s on my 9 string. I might still have one or 2 around. If not, I had the music store back home order a bunch in for me. I'm sure they still have some.

bostjan · 03-28-2006, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawksmoor

Beware of string breaks, G is quite high a pitch even for .08

I honestly never had any problem with a high g with either .008" or .009"

It's the high a that gives issues. Keep in mind, a pedal steel guitar has a slightly longer scale (~26"), and uses a .010" or .011" for g#. It's pretty damn tight, but it won't break too much.

Say nay if you will...I say yay.

Digital Black · 03-28-2006, 09:53 PM

I've had luck with a .008 tuned high A..

Naren · 03-28-2006, 10:14 PM

That tuning sounds sweet, Ken. I used to try so many different tunings on my six-strings, but, due to the tremolo on my seven, I've only played in standard and drop-A. I'd like to try a lot of other tunings, though.

Shannon · 03-29-2006, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by urklvt

Dude, I used to play a lot of F# tuning with my Steinberger TransTrem. Fun!

Now if only they made a 7-string so I could go down to C#...........

Oh yeah, and it was a calibrated 0.009 string on that F#.

A 7-string Steinberger, you say? I'm with you there. Literally, that would be a dream come true for me.

EverDream · 03-29-2006, 01:29 AM

I want to tune my 6 string from A2 to A4 and use it for leads, I tried a .007 from D'Addario from juststrings.com and it didn't even tune to G4 before it broke, if anyone has any success tuning to A4 on a 25.5" scale, please tell me the gauge and the brand strings you used, so that I can get them and try them! I'm really interested in Garry Goodman's strings he's developing, an A4 string that I could bend just like any other string would be great!! But as I heard he hasn't implemented ball ends on them yet, which makes it no use to me seeing that I don't have a special clamp system he has, lol. Garry if you're reading this, please let me know as soon as you come out with an A4 string with a ball end that you can sell to me.

Side question: Shannon, who is that girl in your avatar? (Keep in mind I don't watch TV at all really so I don't know who is who a lot of times, lol) She's pretty nice, you got good taste!

Ancestor · 03-29-2006, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

I'm probably gonna take a whirl at messing around with the string tension calculator and see if i can't come up with a decent set of strings...

Is this freeware? It's probably for Windows, huh?

EverDream · 03-29-2006, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ancestor

Is this freeware? It's probably for Windows, huh?

I don't know if he uses what I use, but what I use is a calculator on a website...

http://www.pacificsites.net/~dog/Str...ionApplet.html

you should check it out, it's very handy.

bostjan · 03-29-2006, 03:18 AM

It's a pretty simple formula if you know the density, scale length, frequency of fundamental and gauge. No need for it to cost money.

Metal Ken · 03-29-2006, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naren

That tuning sounds sweet, Ken. I used to try so many different tunings on my six-strings, but, due to the tremolo on my seven, I've only played in standard and drop-A. I'd like to try a lot of other tunings, though.

Yeah, try blocking your trem and giving a shot, if you got light enough strings, its really fun. Kinda confusing, but fun...

Seph - That was on a 25.5" Scale, right? the schecter is a 26.5".. so its got about .5lbs more tension on there. I think i'd need at least an 8 for a high G, and then a set of 10's below that...

EverDream - thats the one i use. Freaking useful, that thing is.

I was thinking a 7 would be ideal if i can find one, since i calculated the tensions to be something along the lines of:

Quote:

len 26.5"

G .007" PL = 12.13lbs
D .010" PL = 13.9lbs
A .014" PL = 15.29lbs
F .020" NW = 16.63lbs
C .028" NW = 18.26lbs
G .040" NW = 20.53lbs
D .054" NW = 20.73lbs

So a 007 guage would actually work out REALLY well, i think.

Ancestor · 03-29-2006, 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EverDream

I don't know if he uses what I use, but what I use is a calculator on a website...

http://www.pacificsites.net/~dog/Str...ionApplet.html

you should check it out, it's very handy.

Cool. Thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by bostjan

It's a pretty simple formula if you know the density, scale length, frequency of fundamental and gauge. No need for it to cost money.

Too bad everyone doesn't think that way, but I'm glad that there's a few.

urklvt · 03-29-2006, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shannon

A 7-string Steinberger, you say? I'm with you there. Literally, that would be a dream come true for me.

We can always hope... stranger things have happened.

ts73 · 03-29-2006, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

I was thinking a 7 would be ideal if i can find one

Look up Guitar X in Denver and give them a call. Last time I've been there they had D'Addario .007s.

Garry Goodman · 04-11-2006, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EverDream

I want to tune my 6 string from A2 to A4 and use it for leads, I tried a .007 from D'Addario from juststrings.com and it didn't even tune to G4 before it broke, if anyone has any success tuning to A4 on a 25.5" scale, please tell me the gauge and the brand strings you used, so that I can get them and try them! I'm really interested in Garry Goodman's strings he's developing, an A4 string that I could bend just like any other string would be great!! But as I heard he hasn't implemented ball ends on them yet, which makes it no use to me seeing that I don't have a special clamp system he has, lol. Garry if you're reading this, please let me know as soon as you come out with an A4 string with a ball end that you can sell to me.

I repeat information because some of it gets lost in translation.I'm sorry everyone,but an .008 and .007 in general will Not tune to an A440hz on the 25" guitar scale. My .007's will tune to A flat 4 at 30",but they are so rigid that you could slice cheese with them.

The kind of strings I wanted are flexible,and even bendable. I 've spent several years developing a string that can be tuned to G4 or A flat 4 at the 32" bass scale.It would be impossible to have a 12-string bass without this high string .All the formulas mean nothing when they don't work. Shortening scale length is a last resort to get a string to go higher,and that doesn't help that much. I applaud JP for making a 12-string bass for Jean Baudin.For me fanning from 35" down to 29" is not a happy thing.The fan becomes a little to extreme for my taste. The .006 they used tunes to A flat 4,but I know from my own 10 types of .006 wire ,at 29", we're slicing cheese.
I have a very funtional A4 string. Currently ,I am having some guys "beta" test it. Right now,there is no bending up 3 whole steps with a high string at 25".The guitar scale would have to be around 19-20" to do that.
How do I know all this? From doing it everyday for two years.
So if anyone is interested in trying a couple of these strings ,send me a PM.

knuckle_head · 04-11-2006, 06:19 PM

See there.....

I was going to suggest that a 19.5" scale length ought to do the trick. Tacoma Guitars did a single pickup ultra-short scale 6 string some time back that allowed an A tuning and is a really well made instrument.

Garry Goodman · 04-20-2006, 03:02 PM

two guys have tried my high A string on their guitars and sent me good reports.perhaps one of them will post a thread soon.

dpm · 04-20-2006, 05:19 PM

Back home Garry? I'll email you as soon as I get all my software reinstalled on this damn computer...

Durero · 04-20-2006, 05:40 PM

I've got my Universe strung EADGBEA with one of Garry's .005's for the high A. It's fantastic fun! Very playable and bendable.

Years ago I tried to tune a 25.5 scale guitar up to high A using .010's, .009's, .008's, and .007's and none of them worked. the highest I got was just under G# using a .009. I was surprised how much weaker the .008's & .007's were and that I could reach a higher pitch with the .009.

Garry is definitely the man when it comes to extended range. Order some strings from him and you'll be shredding into the stratosphere

The only problem is now I have no more excuses not to extend the design of my 7 string, 31 fret, 5 octave guitar into a 9 string 6 octave design.

bostjan · 04-20-2006, 05:48 PM

Cool, now we can have trouble-free ERG's without the need to pay a lisencing fee to Ralph Novak. Ooops, now I have to pay a fee because I said his name. j/k

I still think fanned frets are good for all instruments with more than one string. If we could get .005"s, though, we are definately one the right track to get more range.

Now who is going to be the first one to build a fanned-fret ten string with low F# and a high D?

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03-28-2006, 04:45 AM	#1
Metal Ken Hates the Air Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 17,846 Thanked: 82 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Extra high string experiment So i wanted to play along to some new school testament songs, which tune to C# Standard... i had a really light guage on my Schecter from messing around with a set of strings that had equal tension on all strings, (so it was really light) so i tuned the thing from C# with a high F#.. And.. You know.. Its really freaking fun. The chords sound really cool with the extra high note.. i think i'm gonna lighten up everything a few notches and try to tune D with a high G... right now, the 9 guage is the F#.. i'm ASSUMING (havent calculated yet) that i'd be able to take an 8 up to G.. i'm actually kinda stoked about the whole thing. its SO disorienting with everything being shifted down by a string... but i'm getting the hang of it.. Arpeggio shapes are new and different lol If you list your gear in your signature, you're a prick.

03-28-2006, 07:13 AM	#4
urklvt XEN Master Join Date: May 2005 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 3,558 Thanked: 8 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Dude, I used to play a lot of F# tuning with my Steinberger TransTrem. Fun! Now if only they made a 7-string so I could go down to C#........... Oh yeah, and it was a calibrated 0.009 string on that F#. xen website / facebook / email / urklvt

03-28-2006, 08:13 AM	#5
Toshiro Mötherfucker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Daytona Beach, FL Posts: 5,928 Thanked: 20 Feedback Score: 18 reviews	Good luck. I'd stick with the C# though, since I'm starting to love that tuning. Um, Like Sound Files and Stuff ^_^ oh yeah, and some crappy videos too!

03-28-2006, 01:24 PM	#6
Metal Ken Hates the Air Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 17,846 Thanked: 82 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	well, i dont think that 8 would be a problem for G.. i mean, i've got the 9 on F#, and the schecter's a 26.5" Scale. .i've done some bends on it and whatnot, and its staying put just fine. I'm probably gonna take a whirl at messing around with the string tension calculator and see if i can't come up with a decent set of strings... Edit: Anyone know where to get 7 guages? According to some calculations, that would put about exactly the tension i want on there... but i cant seem to find them on just strings.. If you list your gear in your signature, you're a prick.

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03-28-2006, 04:57 AM	#3
Ibanez_fanboy I want a 1527!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 1,304 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah, the high g on a 12 string is usually first to break

03-28-2006, 02:04 PM	#7
Donnie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Bonney Lake, WA. Posts: 4,336 Thanked: 11 Feedback Score: 24 reviews	Ken, I used .007s on my 9 string. I might still have one or 2 around. If not, I had the music store back home order a bunch in for me. I'm sure they still have some. Bad Mother....a of the Classifieds

03-28-2006, 09:53 PM	#9
Digital Black Divinitus Infallibilis Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cleveland , Ohio Posts: 5,322 Thanked: 21 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I've had luck with a .008 tuned high A.. Born of Fire//--\\ Consumed by it Divinitus Infallibilis

03-28-2006, 10:14 PM	#10
Naren OldschoolGhettostyle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tokyo Posts: 12,895 Thanked: 57 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	That tuning sounds sweet, Ken. I used to try so many different tunings on my six-strings, but, due to the tremolo on my seven, I've only played in standard and drop-A. I'd like to try a lot of other tunings, though.

03-29-2006, 01:29 AM	#12
EverDream ss.org Regular Join Date: May 2005 Location: California, USA Posts: 122 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I want to tune my 6 string from A2 to A4 and use it for leads, I tried a .007 from D'Addario from juststrings.com and it didn't even tune to G4 before it broke, if anyone has any success tuning to A4 on a 25.5" scale, please tell me the gauge and the brand strings you used, so that I can get them and try them! I'm really interested in Garry Goodman's strings he's developing, an A4 string that I could bend just like any other string would be great!! But as I heard he hasn't implemented ball ends on them yet, which makes it no use to me seeing that I don't have a special clamp system he has, lol. Garry if you're reading this, please let me know as soon as you come out with an A4 string with a ball end that you can sell to me. Side question: Shannon, who is that girl in your avatar? (Keep in mind I don't watch TV at all really so I don't know who is who a lot of times, lol) She's pretty nice, you got good taste! ~EverDream~ "Enter my private... chamber" Schecter C7 Blackjack.......Drop G# (9 - 56) Ibanez AJ307CENT.............Drop G# (11 - 64) Galveston 8-String Bass....Low E or F (20 - 180) Silvertone SIK-1................Drop A# (10.5 - 54) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

03-29-2006, 03:18 AM	#15
bostjan Spastic Kitchen! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: St. Johnsbury, VT USA Posts: 7,561 Thanked: 15 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	It's a pretty simple formula if you know the density, scale length, frequency of fundamental and gauge. No need for it to cost money. [URL="http://sites.google.com/site/bostjanzupancickhereb/"[/URL]

04-11-2006, 06:19 PM	#21
knuckle_head SS.org Regular Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 624 Thanked: 2 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	See there..... I was going to suggest that a 19.5" scale length ought to do the trick. Tacoma Guitars did a single pickup ultra-short scale 6 string some time back that allowed an A tuning and is a really well made instrument.

04-20-2006, 03:02 PM	#22
Garry Goodman 8-0ctaves Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: CA&HI Posts: 326 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	two guys have tried my high A string on their guitars and sent me good reports.perhaps one of them will post a thread soon.

04-20-2006, 05:19 PM	#23
dpm Oni Guitars Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Brisbane, Queensland, Australia Posts: 3,377 Thanked: 21 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Back home Garry? I'll email you as soon as I get all my software reinstalled on this damn computer... I'm currently catching up with emails, please be patient

04-20-2006, 05:40 PM	#24
Durero prototyping... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Qualicum Bay, Vancouver Island, Canada Posts: 5,365 Thanked: 41 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Use Garry's .005's I've got my Universe strung EADGBEA with one of Garry's .005's for the high A. It's fantastic fun! Very playable and bendable. Years ago I tried to tune a 25.5 scale guitar up to high A using .010's, .009's, .008's, and .007's and none of them worked. the highest I got was just under G# using a .009. I was surprised how much weaker the .008's & .007's were and that I could reach a higher pitch with the .009. Garry is definitely the man when it comes to extended range. Order some strings from him and you'll be shredding into the stratosphere The only problem is now I have no more excuses not to extend the design of my 7 string, 31 fret, 5 octave guitar into a 9 string 6 octave design.

04-20-2006, 05:48 PM	#25
bostjan Spastic Kitchen! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: St. Johnsbury, VT USA Posts: 7,561 Thanked: 15 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Cool, now we can have trouble-free ERG's without the need to pay a lisencing fee to Ralph Novak. Ooops, now I have to pay a fee because I said his name. j/k I still think fanned frets are good for all instruments with more than one string. If we could get .005"s, though, we are definately one the right track to get more range. Now who is going to be the first one to build a fanned-fret ten string with low F# and a high D? [URL="http://sites.google.com/site/bostjanzupancickhereb/"[/URL]

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