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Unread 12-29-2008, 03:19 PM   #1
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String Gauge Inquiry

I just got my first 7 string, a Schecter Hellraiser C7, and it came stock with I believe .58-.11 gauge strings. Needless to say, when I tune down to Drop A to crank out some Nile, it sounds like I'm bashing a sack of coins from all of the fret buzz.

I already have .58 and .52 gauge single strings laying around, so I ordered the Zakk Wylde .70-.11. With this set and the string I have, I can have a gauge setup as follows:
B .70
E .58
A .52
D .36 - .38
G .18
B .14
E .11

Should that be enough to stop the strings from flopping around so much? - I may also raise the bridge a bit due to the big gauge jump. And would that be too much for my guitar to handle? I know when I put .60-.11s on my 6 string I ended up filling down the slots they fit into and it ended up very slightly bowing the neck. I mainly will play this in Drop A and B Standard, so I know that could put a bit of tension on the neck.
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It came stock with 10-46+58.
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when I tune down to Drop A to crank out some Nile,
it sounds like I'm bashing a sack of coins from all of the fret buzz.
Holy crap this is the best definition I've ever heard
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B .70
E .58
A .52
D .36 - .38
G .18
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E .11
Well I guess you mean A .70 for drop A? That's pretty tight, but do-able. That guitar is 26.5", right?

Here's a little site you can go to ruff estimate the tensions of strings. String Guage and Tension Calculator - Version 0.1.4 - 26 apr 1998

It says you'd have about 30-40 lbs on the D, A, and E. Never heard of that on a guitar, and I don't think you want to try If you're just flopping on the low A, why change the other strings? I'd change the A and rock out.
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did you try picking lighter at all?

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Well I guess you mean A .70 for drop A? That's pretty tight, but do-able. That guitar is 26.5", right?

Here's a little site you can go to ruff estimate the tensions of strings. String Guage and Tension Calculator - Version 0.1.4 - 26 apr 1998

It says you'd have about 30-40 lbs on the D, A, and E. Never heard of that on a guitar, and I don't think you want to try If you're just flopping on the low A, why change the other strings? I'd change the A and rock out.
Sure you did that right? Mixing my strings around I can get it so that every string is under 23lbs. That tool is really helpful though, thanks.

As for picking, yeah, if I pick lighter it helps. But it is hard for me to play fast lightly because I like thick, pointed picks.
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Sure you did that right? Mixing my strings around I can get it so that every string is under 23lbs. That tool is really helpful though, thanks.

As for picking, yeah, if I pick lighter it helps. But it is hard for me to play fast lightly because I like thick, pointed picks.
Pretty sure I did.

Change the scale length to 26.5 (but that only adds about a LB or so of tension).

Change strings to nw for nickle wound Daddarios (not sure how much that # can change with different strings, but people seem to think it's a pretty good estimate for a wound string).

Try 38 on D and 52 on A like you wrote. I get over 40 lbs of tension on both. Just think about it, a 52 on an A. That's very heavy for just an E on shorter scales. How did you come up with your #'s of under 23 lbs?
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Oh, you are correct, sorry. :P I was paying more attention to the .70 gauge string. But changing the neck scale really does make a difference.

I got them all under 23 - not now due to the neck length change - by just rearranging the strings to make them lighter where needed, like so:

len 26.5"

E .011" NW == 9.92#
B, .014" NW == 15.04#
G, .018" NW == 17.37#
D, .028" NW == 23.01#
A,, .038" NW == 23.31#
E,, .052" NW == 23.77#
B,,, .070" NW == 24.77#
total == 137.18#

However, looking into it, I was really really putting a lot of pressure on my 6 string guitar. I put the .60 set on due to me playing in D and C, and had to change it to E and Drop D to play with my band and that really put a hell of a lot of pressure on the neck:

len 26.5"

E .010" NW == 4.3#
B, .013" NW == 11.88#
G, .027" NW == 38.21#
D, .036" NW == 37.59#
A,, .052" NW == 42.36#
E,, .060" NW == 32.88#
total == 167.21#

So, if my Hellraiser C6 can take 170lbs of pressure and only slightly bow, I am not so afraid to put 140lbs on my C7 since it is designed to take a little more pressure.

amirite?
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So, if my Hellraiser C6 can take 170lbs of pressure and only slightly bow, I am not so afraid to put 140lbs on my C7 since it is designed to take a little more pressure.

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i feel sorry for your guitars
but c7s do have pretty beefy necks...
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please give some info when the strings arrive if you can get them on your guitar without having to do some routing on the saddle. i have a C7 and everything above .60 doesnt fit anymore.
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Oh, you are correct, sorry. :P I was paying more attention to the .70 gauge string. But changing the neck scale really does make a difference.

I got them all under 23 - not now due to the neck length change - by just rearranging the strings to make them lighter where needed, like so:

len 26.5"

E .011" NW == 9.92#
B, .014" NW == 15.04#
G, .018" NW == 17.37#
D, .028" NW == 23.01#
A,, .038" NW == 23.31#
E,, .052" NW == 23.77#
B,,, .070" NW == 24.77#
total == 137.18#

However, looking into it, I was really really putting a lot of pressure on my 6 string guitar. I put the .60 set on due to me playing in D and C, and had to change it to E and Drop D to play with my band and that really put a hell of a lot of pressure on the neck:

len 26.5"

E .010" NW == 4.3#
B, .013" NW == 11.88#
G, .027" NW == 38.21#
D, .036" NW == 37.59#
A,, .052" NW == 42.36#
E,, .060" NW == 32.88#
total == 167.21#

So, if my Hellraiser C6 can take 170lbs of pressure and only slightly bow, I am not so afraid to put 140lbs on my C7 since it is designed to take a little more pressure.

amirite?


You'll want to recalculate those numbers sir. The E,B and G string should be labelled PL for plain strings and not NW which is nickel wrapped. This makes a big difference in the final numbers.
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did you try picking lighter at all?
while playing Nile?!?!?!

i hope he didnt
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You'll want to recalculate those numbers sir. The E,B and G string should be labelled PL for plain strings and not NW which is nickel wrapped. This makes a big difference in the final numbers.
Thank you ... I wanted to post this comment


I calcuated somewhere between 70 and 74. 72 seems to be the best match. I am using 75 tunned to low G on my other 25.5 guitar. it works marginally OK.

Brian Monty who is working on my custom 7, will be experementing with 70 and 72 that I ordered from Newtone strings. These guys have awesome customer service and can do custom gauges.

I designed and two sets with the following gauges:

1st: .010

2nd .013

3rd .017

4th .026w

5th .036

6th .049 (custom gauge)

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7th 70 (3 sets) and 72 (3 sets)

Please note, that I want my bass strings to sound slightly separated from the top treble 5 for my jazz projects.

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please give some info when the strings arrive if you can get them on your guitar without having to do some routing on the saddle. i have a C7 and everything above .60 doesnt fit anymore.
The guy at Guitar Center told me I should not have a problem fitting a .70 gauge string on, then again I really don't know how much he knows. On my 6 string I had to take a metal file to it for the .60 to fit. :P

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You'll want to recalculate those numbers sir. The E,B and G string should be labelled PL for plain strings and not NW which is nickel wrapped. This makes a big difference in the final numbers.
Wow, that really does make a difference.. So I was putting more like 191lbs on my 6 string and plan on putting 155lbs on my 7 string. x_x Can someone tell me if that is healthy? I just don't like to image putting almost my own weight of tension on my guitar.

I like a little over 20lbs on my strings though, it just gives it a nicer feel than having it flop all over the place.

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while playing Nile?!?!?!

i hope he didnt
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Well, the strings came today and I tried fitting them onto the guitar and could not. After filling down some things like I had to on my 6 string, I thought all was good until I discovered that the string does not fit through the tuning peg. It goes in about two inches, but as soon as the string hits it's .70 thickness, it no longer fits. Do I need to buy a different tuning peg? I can try tightening it with just that little bit of string in there, but the string is really long..

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Well, I tightened it with just those two inches left, and aside from the string looking like a coiled up snake (It wrapped all the way down around the nut for the tuning peg), it seems to work fine so far. So whoever it was that was having trouble fitting a .70 on, just file away at your guitar with a nail clipper file. :P
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Extendng the peg ho;e should help
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