22-fret Ibanez 7's?

urklvt · 03-03-2006, 08:02 AM

The pickup doesn't move at all. 28 5/8" is only 2 frets more on the same proportional scale as the 25 1/2".

Metal Ken · 03-03-2006, 10:49 PM

thus proving my point that it doesnt matter how many frets you have, the tone is the same ;D

eaeolian · 03-03-2006, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Metal Ken

thus proving my point that it doesnt matter how many frets you have, the tone is the same ;D

Actually, it would move the 2nd octave harmonic point, which does change the sound of the PU. (You've changed the length of the string in relation to the PU, thus altering where the harmonics fall.) I can generally hear a tonal difference in 22 and 24 fret guitars on the neck PU.

DSS3 · 03-03-2006, 11:51 PM

Sorry eaolian, but that whole 2nd octave harmonic theory is false, as it only applies to open notes. As soon as you fret a note, that harmonic spot is in a completely different spot.

What does change the tone, however, is that with 22 fret guitars, the neck pickup is further from the bridge.

Rev2010 · 03-03-2006, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jforsythe

I totally prefer 22 frets to 24.

24 frets is the smartest way to go since it gives you two full octaves. But whatever suits you. I have a 22 fret Ibanez AX7221 with a Duncan JB-7 in the bridge position. Sounds great but I've moved to a better instrument - an extended scale Schecter. I can't wait to sell my Ibanez AX7221. Haven't found a buyer yet though.

Rev.

Ken · 03-04-2006, 12:00 AM

You know, I seldom go beyond the 20th fret, but I have no problems with the existence of frets 23 and 24. They certainly don't get in my way.

Metal Ken · 03-04-2006, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DSS3

Sorry eaolian, but that whole 2nd octave harmonic theory is false, as it only applies to open notes. As soon as you fret a note, that harmonic spot is in a completely different spot.

Thats what i've been preachin'.

marton · 03-04-2006, 04:12 AM

A lot of local guys I know only use the first seven frets on the last three strings.

I never use the 23rd or 24th frets either. When the pickup is close to the neck, it picks up fewer harmonics. The closer it is to the neck, the fewer harmonics. So placement does make a difference. To say it doesn't make a difference is to say that having more than one pickup is redundant, and we know it's not, so it makes a difference.

bostjan · 03-04-2006, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by four_hz_at_140_db

The pickup doesn't move at all. 28 5/8" is only 2 frets more on the same proportional scale as the 25 1/2".

You are both correct! The pickup doesn't move at all, not even in comparison with the notes...except for the first couple frets.

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Originally Posted by marton

A lot of local guys I know only use the first seven frets on the last three strings.

I never use the 23rd or 24th frets either. When the pickup is close to the neck, it picks up fewer harmonics. The closer it is to the neck, the fewer harmonics. So placement does make a difference. To say it doesn't make a difference is to say that having more than one pickup is redundant, and we know it's not, so it makes a difference.

This is not entirely true- when the pickup is closer to the midpoint between the saddle and the fret being pressed, it picks up more of the lower harmonics, making the upper harmonics seem weaker, but keep in mind that the entire signal will be stronger. With a neck pickup, when you play very close to the pickup, you are going closer to the pickup than the pickup is to the bridge and it acts more like a bridge or middle pickup.

Frankly, I could do without the neck pup altogether; I'd rather have more notes available. It's all a matter of personal taste, though. If the guy wants 22 frets, he should be able to get them. Logically sound or not, people with neckier neck pickups get used to the sound and the quirks associated with the pup and will not likely be pleased with a pup that is moved back.

My $.02 and a spare marble (pocket lint optional)

Metal Ken · 03-04-2006, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bostjan

It's all a matter of personal taste, though. If the guy wants 22 frets, he should be able to get them.

Thats pretty much the best response i've seen in the whole thread on the matter, but i still stand by my 24 fretness ;D

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DSS3 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: - Posts: 1,353 Real Name: - Main Seven: - Rig: - Thanked: 3	Sorry eaolian, but that whole 2nd octave harmonic theory is false, as it only applies to open notes. As soon as you fret a note, that harmonic spot is in a completely different spot. What does change the tone, however, is that with 22 fret guitars, the neck pickup is further from the bridge.

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marton ss.org Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 82 Thanked: 0	A lot of local guys I know only use the first seven frets on the last three strings. I never use the 23rd or 24th frets either. When the pickup is close to the neck, it picks up fewer harmonics. The closer it is to the neck, the fewer harmonics. So placement does make a difference. To say it doesn't make a difference is to say that having more than one pickup is redundant, and we know it's not, so it makes a difference.


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