[Drew]

Edit - strange. I suspect this might have been what Rich Harris referrs to as "spring shock" because there is absolutely no possible way that leaving your locking nut pad locked vs. unlocked could have any effect on what's going on with the overall string tension.

[The Dark Wolf]

I could be wrong, and there could be way more to it than this, but I still say .010 - .056 in standard is much too thick for a floating trem bari.

If you try .009's, you can see what happens. It's physics, really... only other culprit could be the trem springs, but even light ones , with all five on, and the adjuster screwed all the way back should yield good tension to keep that trem level.

Hence, the strings.

[TheRiverDragon]

I've removed the two additional springs I added and tried to get to standard tuning. There seems to be no way of getting there with the 010-056 strings. 5 springs seems to be the only sollution, well maybe I try it with four. I mailed Mayzan, see what he suggests.

[bostjan]

Are you sure the bridge is secured in the proper slots on the bridge posts? Something is not making any sense here.

[D-EJ915]

I don't know if the extra 11 string makes a huge difference, but the tension between the baritone with 10s and my V with 11s should be about the same. If this is true, I have 5 springs on mine in drop-A tuning, having barely adjusted the screws just to level the bridge a bit and mine is perfectly flat with the guitar. ...it's weird that you're having problems

[Metal Ken]

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

I could be wrong, and there could be way more to it than this, but I still say .010 - .056 in standard is much too thick for a floating trem bari.

Actually, its not too much. i use 10-60 down 1 step, and it feels pretty much like 9s. I've had it tuned to standard, no issue. it feels between 10's and 11's, not quite 11's but almost. And i know drew uses 11's on his UV so it shouldnt be an issue. I'll actually be moving my low B up to a .68. It WILL rule.

Originally Posted by TheRiverDragon

I've removed the two additional springs I added and tried to get to standard tuning. There seems to be no way of getting there with the 010-056 strings. 5 springs seems to be the only sollution, well maybe I try it with four. I mailed Mayzan, see what he suggests.

I would suggest trying shorter springs or new springs entirely. I have my RG1077XL (Basically your model with a lopro) with 10-60 down 1 step, and i have it with 3 springs in the /|\ formation with plenty of adjustment space to spare. if you use the short 48mm springs, you should have even more adjustment space. a new set of springs can make a WORLD of difference.

[The Dark Wolf]

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

I would suggest trying shorter springs or new springs entirely. I have my RG1077XL (Basically your model with a lopro) with 10-60 down 1 step, and i have it with 3 springs in the /|\ formation with plenty of adjustment space to spare. if you use the short 48mm springs, you should have even more adjustment space. a new set of springs can make a WORLD of difference.

That's gotta be it, then.

Of course, a lighter gauge string would still probably solve the problem.

[Drew]

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

And i know drew uses 11's on his UV so it shouldnt be an issue. I'll actually be moving my low B up to a .68. It WILL rule.

I've actually wussed out and gone back to 10-56's. :/ I might go back up to something heavier, but... I just wish Elixer made like a 60 or 62. 56 is lighter than I'd really like with 9's, much less 10's, but since that's all they offer I've been making do...

[Rev2010]

Originally Posted by Drew

Um, nothing personal, but locking the nut after tuning each set of strings should have zero effect on whether or not the trem will angle up as you put more tension on it -

That's incorrect. See this is what happens:

A person tunes the first string to tune. Moves on to the next string and tunes it etc. Then when the person is done tuning the last string and goes back to check the first string it's flat again! Gee! Why??? Well because there's less tension being the other strings were brought to tension. So the only string currently in perfect tune is the lowest string. So then the person proceeds to tune the guitar again and the same shit happens. So, by tuning the first two, locking, and tuning the next etc then at the end go back and tune using the Floyd Rose tuners THEN you get it into tune. This is what I learned from a both luthier and guitar teacher many years back. That's how I was taught Floyd's are supposed to be tuned. If you all want to test this go right ahead and tune your guitars like this without locking a single nut. You can almost keep tuning so far that the tremolo will be majorly angled out of the body and it doesn't matter if you have 2 or 5 springs.

Originally Posted by TheRiverDragon

Thanks Rev. This way it works. I didn't know that I need to do it this way cause I never had the problem. Thank you very much again, now I am happy man

No problem RiverDragon, glad to help out


Rev.

[Toshiro]

Originally Posted by Rev2010

That's incorrect. See this is what happens:

A person tunes the first string to tune. Moves on to the next string and tunes it etc. Then when the person is done tuning the last string and goes back to check the first string it's flat again! Gee! Why??? Well because there's less tension being the other strings were brought to tension. So the only string currently in perfect tune is the lowest string. So then the person proceeds to tune the guitar again and the same shit happens. So, by tuning the first two, locking, and tuning the next etc then at the end go back and tune using the Floyd Rose tuners THEN you get it into tune. This is what I learned from a both luthier and guitar teacher many years back. That's how I was taught Floyd's are supposed to be tuned. If you all want to test this go right ahead and tune your guitars like this without locking a single nut. You can almost keep tuning so far that the tremolo will be majorly angled out of the body and it doesn't matter if you have 2 or 5 springs.

Um, hate to contradict you, but this will never work properly on a floating Floyd. Lock the nut all you want, when you tune the other strings up the bridge position changes and the higher(now locked) strings will go flat.

Once you reach the balance point(where the strings in tune pull the same tension as the springs) the strings will no longer go flat as you tune. The amount they go flat lessens each time you go across. Hell, you have to do this with the fine tuners, for crying out loud.