[xwmucradiox]

Originally Posted by Stitch

It follows the intonation track of the string saddles.

Very nice sir! You should totally bring it to Edinburgh. :p

Its probably just a drilling mistake. There is no reason to change where the strings anchor because the only thing that affects intonation is how the saddles are set.

[TripleFan]

No, it´s most likely not.
The saddles of the wound strings sit usually further back than those of the plain ones. To acommodate that and make inserting the strings easier the string ferrules for the wound strings are often drilled further back as well.

[Uber Mega]

God knows, i'll ask the man himself.

[cow 7 sig]

man thats an awesome guitar

[stux]

Yeah there was definatly a price increase, I got a b7 priced up the same as this but swamp ash and with m7s and it came to £2300! But I will still have it, I just have to save up and order one next year

[xwmucradiox]

Originally Posted by TripleFan

No, it´s most likely not.
The saddles of the wound strings sit usually further back than those of the plain ones. To acommodate that and make inserting the strings easier the string ferrules for the wound strings are often drilled further back as well.

The holes in the bridge are in a straight line and not staggered. That means that staggered holes in the back of the guitar would make inserting the strings more difficult, not less.

My blackmachine has the ferrules in a straight line so at the very least hes inconsistent in making restrings easier for his customers.

[sakeido]

Shut up about the goddamn ferrules already. If that is the only thing wrong with the whole guitar, and it looks intentional to me, and it is on the back side, fuck it. For all we know he also drilled out the baseplate on the bridge to accommodate the bigger strings easier as well.

[Edroz]

Originally Posted by sakeido

Shut up about the goddamn ferrules already. If that is the only thing wrong with the whole guitar, and it looks intentional to me, and it is on the back side, fuck it. For all we know he also drilled out the baseplate on the bridge to accommodate the bigger strings easier as well.

yeah, the nerve. how dare he point out flaws in the almighty Blackmachine!

[7 Strings of Hate]

Originally Posted by Edroz

yeah, the nerve. how dare he point out flaws in the almighty Blackmachine!

yea, no shit

[noodles]

Originally Posted by sakeido

Shut up about the goddamn ferrules already. If that is the only thing wrong with the whole guitar, and it looks intentional to me, and it is on the back side, fuck it. For all we know he also drilled out the baseplate on the bridge to accommodate the bigger strings easier as well.

Mind ratcheting down the attitude a wee bit?

FWIW, if I payed that much for a guitar, I'd be anal about attention to detail. The ferrules are off, which is plain as day, and in this price range, it is a fairly big oversight.

[sakeido]

Originally Posted by Edroz

yeah, the nerve. how dare he point out flaws in the almighty Blackmachine!

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[7 Strings of Hate]

it would be really annoying, about as annonying as waiting a year for a guitar that cost thousands of dollars only to find out a basic detail was fucked up on it

[sakeido]

Originally Posted by 7 Strings of Hate

it would be really annoying, about as annonying as waiting a year for a guitar that cost thousands of dollars only to find out a basic detail was fucked up on it

Considering the guitar is pure sex in every aspect except the absolute smallest one on the guitar, I don't think I'd care at all and would be pissed off at people pointing it out over and over and over

[Stitch]

Originally Posted by 7 Strings of Hate

it would be really annoying, about as annonying as waiting a year for a guitar that cost thousands of dollars only to find out a basic detail was fucked up on it

This thread is on a fast track to hell. With the exception of the most enlightened xmwucraidx or whatever th hell is name is, show me one person who was unhappy with their guitar. These guitars are built to be tone monsters...if you want it all to be the way you ordered then get a Carvin or something. People are buying these because they look plain yet badass and represent the epitome of tone.

[Uber Mega]

I've dropped him an email about this, i'll post his reply...but I don't see why anyone would say it's a "flaw" or bad craftsmanship...so you're saying that someone who can cut, build etc. a guitar to specific measurements of within a millimeter is incapable of drilling 6/7 basic holes the slightest bit straight, on nearly every Blackmachine in existence...seems a bit of a stupid thing to say. I am almost certain that the ferrules are drilled the way they are 'intentionally' on every blackmachine, he obviously believes it serves a purpose.

If not then, well, oh man...

[noodles]

Originally Posted by sakeido

Considering the guitar is pure sex in every aspect except the absolute smallest one on the guitar, I don't think I'd care at all and would be pissed off at people pointing it out over and over and over

Yeah, it is a minor detail that does not effect sound/playability, but we are not talking about a $600 guitar. At well over three grand, I'd be a bit perturbed that the ferrules are straighter on my $325 Dean.

[7 Strings of Hate]

Originally Posted by Stitch

This thread is on a fast track to hell. With the exception of the most enlightened xmwucraidx or whatever th hell is name is, show me one person who was unhappy with their guitar. These guitars are built to be tone monsters...if you want it all to be the way you ordered then get a Carvin or something. People are buying these because they look plain yet badass and represent the epitome of tone.

well, i feel that the attitude around here toward black machine , and it seems edroz elluded to as well, was that they have the reputation of basically what you just said, like god himself built these things. But in all honosty, 99 percent of the members on this board have never even touched a black machine, and even though this may be the best guitar in the world, he posted pics because he wanted people to look at them, and thats what we were doing, and commenting, i dont think theres a thing wrong with that

[sakeido]

Originally Posted by noodles

Yeah, it is a minor detail that does not effect sound/playability, but we are not talking about a $600 guitar. At well over three grand, I'd be a bit perturbed that the ferrules are straighter on my $325 Dean.

I'm fairly certain that on a guitar built for downtuning and perfect playability, strung with up fat strings, the holes on the bridge have also been machined out so they are more rounded rectangles than just straight holes.. and he moved the ferrules around to match. Since, to me, the ferrules on the back line up in the same pattern the saddles on the front do and seeing as how this has happened on a few guitars in a row, I am fairly sure he is doing it on purpose.

[Stitch]

Originally Posted by 7 Strings of Hate

well, i feel that the attitude around here toward black machine , and it seems edroz elluded to was that they have the reputation of basically what you just said, like god himself built these things. But in all honosty, 99 percent of the members on this board have never even touched a black machine, and even though this may be the best guitar in the world, he posted pics because he wanted people to look at them, and thats what we were doing, and commenting, i dont think theres a thing wrong with that

But there a fair few that are determined to beat them down, simply because they can't understand the concept of global economies and can't deal with the fact that its the cost of two JPM7's from where they live.

[7 Strings of Hate]

right, but before you start slinging mud about how mentioning the ferruels took this thread to the dump, you should look at who started being pissy, the bm fanboys
i dont really care that i cant afford one, i , like thousands of other good musicians, can make killer tunes on a 3000 dollar guitar, OR a 500 dollar ibby so it dont hurt my feelings too much, besides if i were to spend that kind of money, i could get 2 shermans, which i'm sure are just as nice

[sakeido]

Originally Posted by Stitch

This thread is on a fast track to hell. With the exception of the most enlightened xmwucraidx or whatever th hell is name is, show me one person who was unhappy with their guitar.

He is so unhappy with it, he won't sell it.. not even for its original purchase price.

Originally Posted by 7 Strings of Hate

right, but before you start slinging mud about how mentioning the ferruels took this thread to the dump, you should look at who started being pissy, the bm fanboys

It was more an issue of a number of people showing a lot of disrespect for the thread starter, who finally got his guitar after a long wait and a significant cash investment, and then people zeroed in on the smallest detail and started criticizing the guitar without any regard for, you know, if he cared or not. I always figured that it was kind of an unspoken rule that people don't bash a poster's guitar, and keep it to themselves if they have nothing good to say.. that has not happened here. IMO.

[Uber Mega]

If I wasn't the OP, and this thread wasn't about my guitar, I would have trolled the shit out of it by now

[Stitch]

Originally Posted by 7 Strings of Hate

right, but before you start slinging mud about how mentioning the ferruels took this thread to the dump, you should look at who started being pissy, the bm fanboys
i dont really care that i cant afford one, i , like thousands of other good musicians, can make killer tunes on a 3000 dollar guitar, OR a 500 dollar ibby so it dont hurt my feelings too much, besides if i were to spend that kind of money, i could get 2 shermans, which i'm sure are just as nice

You've just proved my point. If Blackmachine were US based, I sincerely doubt the prices would be of the order of $5k. Try at most half of that. Things are hard and expensive to get.

[Stitch]

Originally Posted by sakeido

It was more an issue of a number of people showing a lot of disrespect for the thread starter, who finally got his guitar after a long wait and a significant cash investment, and then people zeroed in on the smallest detail and started criticizing the guitar without any regard for, you know, if he cared or not. I always figured that it was kind of an unspoken rule that people don't bash a poster's guitar, and keep it to themselves if they have nothing good to say.. that has not happened here. IMO.

Its not a Schecter or Ibanez, why would it count?

[7 Strings of Hate]

well, this is my last post in this thread, but sakeido, its not the fact that he hates the guitar, its the principal of the idea that he paid 3 grand, it should be flawless, and for the record, if you look at practically all the posts, they all are kissing the guitars ass anyway, so i dont think there is any disrespect to the poster that he put pictures of his guitar up for veiw and a couple people asked what was up with a weird detail


all i know is, if it was a black machine or a ibby or whatever, and something looked weird, people would be asking about it, so instead of saying "your an idiot, its a blackmachine, its the best guitar in the world", you could actually discuss it