Calling out all owners with BOTH a Loomis and Helraiser!

Atomic_gerbil · 03-19-2008, 01:48 PM

Okay, I have this really stupid question that's been in the back of my head nagging at me to ask and I finally snapped. I apologize, SS.org.

I really want to know how the Loomis plays compared to a C-7 HR. I currently own a black HR, and it's a great guitar - all my buddies comment on how low the action is and how easy it is to play. But I want vibrato, and a low action. So I'm leaning towards a Loomis with its delicious maple board and FR to help me with that. But I have no idea what a Loomis plays like, is it MUCH better than the HR, or just a slight improvement? I guess what I'm saying here is, is it just another schecter play wise with more features or is the touch so light you barely even feel yourself playing it?

See, I told you guys, retarded question.

eaeolian · 03-19-2008, 01:50 PM

Most of what you're talking about setup, not construction. The Loomis I played had a thinner neck than the Hellraiser, and different (bigger) frets.

Atomic_gerbil · 03-19-2008, 01:54 PM

I worded it really bad, sorry, lol

What worries me is that floyd rose equipped guitars have a little bit more of a curve to the fretboard, if i'm not mistaken. To me, that means higher action, because, the lower it is the more it will fret out at a low action. I dunno, I think a lot of this stuff through before a purchase.

I also thought the hellraiser had the bigger frets of the two (X-Jumbo) compared to the Loomis (Jumbo)

Stitch · 03-19-2008, 01:56 PM

Wait, are you meaning curved end to end? Like headstock to endpin? What the hell do you think the truss rod is for?

If you mean the other way round, then if anything, a trem equipped guitar has a flatter fretboard radius. Trems are hard to shim appropriately for weird radii - the Ibanez JS series being a case in a point.

Metal Ken · 03-19-2008, 01:57 PM

I qualify to answer this question:

Yes.

I actually managed lower action on my loomis, as well. I have the action lower than i've had on any othe guitar i've owned (even the HR, which plays great, and was the reason i decided to sell my UV to get a Loomis.) The thinner neck is also a plus. its not a LOT thinner, but it is thinner. Plus, ash sounds SO good.

eaeolian · 03-19-2008, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atomic_gerbil

I worded it really bad, sorry, lol

What worries me is that floyd rose equipped guitars have a little bit more of a curve to the fretboard, if i'm not mistaken. To me, that means higher action, because, the lower it is the more it will fret out at a low action. I dunno, I think a lot of this stuff through before a purchase.

I also thought the hellraiser had the bigger frets of the two (X-Jumbo) compared to the Loomis (Jumbo)

By curve do you mean fingerboard radius, or relief? Relief isn't any different for a (properly set up) Floyd guitar, and I believe the fretboard radius is the same. The Floyd saddle radius might be different than the fixed bridge radius, but it certainly didn't effect the one I played, if so.

Metal Ken · 03-19-2008, 02:02 PM

The radius feels the same to me.

the significant difference between the two is the neck angle, the HR is angled up for the TOM bridge, but the loomis obviously is not.

noodles · 03-19-2008, 02:37 PM

< runs downstairs to examine OFR-7 sitting in a box >

It looks like the exact same radius as a TOM to me. Either way, that is what saddle shims are for.

Atomic_gerbil · 03-19-2008, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stitch

Wait, are you meaning curved end to end? Like headstock to endpin? What the hell do you think the truss rod is for?

If you mean the other way round, then if anything, a trem equipped guitar has a flatter fretboard radius. Trems are hard to shim appropriately for weird radii - the Ibanez JS series being a case in a point.

Yes, I meant the radius of the fretboard. According to ESP, their OFR equipped guitars have a slight deeper curve than TOM equipped geets.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

I qualify to answer this question:

Yes.

I actually managed lower action on my loomis, as well. I have the action lower than i've had on any othe guitar i've owned (even the HR, which plays great, and was the reason i decided to sell my UV to get a Loomis.) The thinner neck is also a plus. its not a LOT thinner, but it is thinner. Plus, ash sounds SO good.

Okay, this has kind of ended my worries. I need a local store that carries a Loomis so I don't have to ask you guys these stupid questions. I've hounded the guys at GC to order one in, but they won't do it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eaeolian

By curve do you mean fingerboard radius, or relief? Relief isn't any different for a (properly set up) Floyd guitar, and I believe the fretboard radius is the same. The Floyd saddle radius might be different than the fixed bridge radius, but it certainly didn't effect the one I played, if so.

Again, my apologies, I meant radius. I was in quite a hurry to post that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by noodles

< runs downstairs to examine OFR-7 sitting in a box >

It looks like the exact same radius as a TOM to me. Either way, that is what saddle shims are for.

Me = convinced. Thanks guys!

Also, Noodles, congrats on getting the KxK job.

Edit: By the way, the ESP site in question:

Electric Sound Products

At the very bottom, it seems to me they equip their guitars with a slight bit more of a radius on an OFR guitar than a Set-neck. (Which would qualify as my HR)

I believe you guys more than that, and besides, we are talking about schecter. I'm good.

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03-19-2008, 01:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
Atomic_gerbil ss.org Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: America Posts: 417 Real Name: Matt Main Seven: C-7 Hellraiser, Black Rig: Imaginary ENGL Thanked: 5	Calling out all owners with BOTH a Loomis and Helraiser! Okay, I have this really stupid question that's been in the back of my head nagging at me to ask and I finally snapped. I apologize, SS.org. I really want to know how the Loomis plays compared to a C-7 HR. I currently own a black HR, and it's a great guitar - all my buddies comment on how low the action is and how easy it is to play. But I want vibrato, and a low action. So I'm leaning towards a Loomis with its delicious maple board and FR to help me with that. But I have no idea what a Loomis plays like, is it MUCH better than the HR, or just a slight improvement? I guess what I'm saying here is, is it just another schecter play wise with more features or is the touch so light you barely even feel yourself playing it? See, I told you guys, retarded question.

03-19-2008, 01:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
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03-19-2008, 01:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
Atomic_gerbil ss.org Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: America Posts: 417 Real Name: Matt Main Seven: C-7 Hellraiser, Black Rig: Imaginary ENGL Thanked: 5	I worded it really bad, sorry, lol What worries me is that floyd rose equipped guitars have a little bit more of a curve to the fretboard, if i'm not mistaken. To me, that means higher action, because, the lower it is the more it will fret out at a low action. I dunno, I think a lot of this stuff through before a purchase. I also thought the hellraiser had the bigger frets of the two (X-Jumbo) compared to the Loomis (Jumbo)

03-19-2008, 01:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
Stitch Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 6,794 Real Name: Simon Main Seven: Ibanez RG7420 & S7420FMTW Main ERG: Orion OG8 Rig: Peavey 6505 Thanked: 109	Wait, are you meaning curved end to end? Like headstock to endpin? What the hell do you think the truss rod is for? If you mean the other way round, then if anything, a trem equipped guitar has a flatter fretboard radius. Trems are hard to shim appropriately for weird radii - the Ibanez JS series being a case in a point.

03-19-2008, 02:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
Metal Ken Sanctity In Blasphemous Ruin • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 22,476 Real Name: Legion Main Seven: Loomis, C7HR, Giannini 7 Rig: Mesa Rectoverb 50 Thanked: 83	The radius feels the same to me. the significant difference between the two is the neck angle, the HR is angled up for the TOM bridge, but the loomis obviously is not.

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