Blackjack or hellraiser???

grogarage · 03-05-2008, 12:11 PM

this must have been discused many times but, i want your opinion...

since both guitars are pretty much the same except for pick-up and price
what would be the main differences in TONE between 707 and Duncans.
i never owned a guitar with active pups, mostly stock Ibanez .

i like Arch Enemy's tone ( Amott use Duncans)

i like Nevermore's tone ( Loomis...well we all know)

help, the ''buy it now'' button is itching

Apophis · 03-05-2008, 03:07 PM

and what tone you like the best ??

ibznorange · 03-05-2008, 03:25 PM

emgs are a bit more compressed sounding, and some people find them clinical, but i find a re-eq'ing helps that. they still will sound more compressed though. other thing to take into consideration, is you can swap out the duncans later. with the loomis, youre only alternative (unless you want it lookin fuggly) is blackouts (which isnt a bad alternative)

JPMDan · 03-05-2008, 03:27 PM

as far as nevermore you have to factor in Chris Broderick cause he has a godly tone.

but if you are going EMGs Vs. Duncan....

Duncan wins.

col · 03-05-2008, 03:56 PM

I've owned both. The Hellraiser had very slightly better playability, but the EMG's really started to get on my nerves. Too compressed and fizzy for my taste.

The only other difference besides pickups is that the Hellraiser has a mahogany neck.

ibznorange · 03-05-2008, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPMDan

as far as nevermore you have to factor in Chris Broderick cause he has a godly tone.

but if you are going EMGs Vs. Duncan....

Duncan wins.

Didnt chris not record with nevermore at all though? i thought it was all loomis/smyth?

Sindwulf · 03-05-2008, 04:21 PM

I think Chris Broderick played with Nevermore live only. Far as the pickups go, I wish I could comment. I've only messed with Ibanez but I think I would love to try out a Schechter out. There is one in my local pawnshop with "tribal" inlays. Wouldn't be bad for only a couple hundred bucks but it's only a 6 string

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Edroz · 03-05-2008, 04:25 PM

if you're not sure if you'll like actives, go with the Blackjack. this way you can always put in some passive sized active blackouts in later if you want.

yevetz · 03-05-2008, 06:32 PM

buy both and join those two in BLACKRAISER

chaztrip · 03-05-2008, 06:38 PM

I have both... a ATX with Blackouts and my new Loomis with EMG's..... And I had a Hellraiser with EMGs... the guitar body and neck make a big difference to me... the EMGs did not sound so good in my Hellraiser but in this Loomis they Rock!!!! If I had to pick between those I would go with with the blackouts......

But Buy a Loomis!!!!

LOL

03-05-2008, 12:11 PM	#1
grogarage ss.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: QUEBEC, CANADA Posts: 11 Main Seven: none at the moment Rig: jsx head->midiverb Thanked: 0	Blackjack or hellraiser??? this must have been discused many times but, i want your opinion... since both guitars are pretty much the same except for pick-up and price what would be the main differences in TONE between 707 and Duncans. i never owned a guitar with active pups, mostly stock Ibanez . i like Arch Enemy's tone ( Amott use Duncans) i like Nevermore's tone ( Loomis...well we all know) help, the ''buy it now'' button is itching

03-05-2008, 03:25 PM	#3
ibznorange Chief Officer/RHLC © Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 8,065 Real Name: Max Main Seven: Dean Vendetta 1.7 Rig: None Thanked: 55	emgs are a bit more compressed sounding, and some people find them clinical, but i find a re-eq'ing helps that. they still will sound more compressed though. other thing to take into consideration, is you can swap out the duncans later. with the loomis, youre only alternative (unless you want it lookin fuggly) is blackouts (which isnt a bad alternative) Reverse Headstocks or Bust ALL HEIL THE ADMINISHREDDER!

03-05-2008, 03:56 PM	#5
col blah. Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: T:re Finland Posts: 29 Main Seven: Ran Guitars custom V Rig: FramusVHT MakoMatamp Thanked: 0	I've owned both. The Hellraiser had very slightly better playability, but the EMG's really started to get on my nerves. Too compressed and fizzy for my taste. The only other difference besides pickups is that the Hellraiser has a mahogany neck. http://myspace.com/comaofloss

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03-05-2008, 06:32 PM	#9
yevetz Happy? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kiev (Ukraine) Posts: 6,709 Real Name: Vova Main Seven: Ibanez RG 2127 Main ERG: Ibanez RG 2228 Rig: Epiphone Valve Jr. Thanked: 232	buy both and join those two in BLACKRAISER Sorry for my english

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03-05-2008, 03:07 PM	#2
Apophis ROTER CUSTOM GUITARS Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 9,739 Real Name: Sebastian Main Seven: I need more strings :) Main ERG: RCG 9 & 10 string Rig: Line6 Thanked: 48	and what tone you like the best ??

03-05-2008, 03:27 PM	#4
JPMDan Dis fuckin' guy... Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New Orleans, Louisiana Posts: 5,494 Real Name: Dan Main Seven: Conklin GTG-7T Rig: A. Reactor 112+PodXT Thanked: 42	as far as nevermore you have to factor in Chris Broderick cause he has a godly tone. but if you are going EMGs Vs. Duncan.... Duncan wins.

03-05-2008, 04:21 PM	#7
Sindwulf ss.org Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Hagerstown, Maryland Posts: 183 Real Name: Opie Main Seven: RG7620vk Rig: Univox U65RN 1 12'' Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I think Chris Broderick played with Nevermore live only. Far as the pickups go, I wish I could comment. I've only messed with Ibanez but I think I would love to try out a Schechter out. There is one in my local pawnshop with "tribal" inlays. Wouldn't be bad for only a couple hundred bucks but it's only a 6 string .

03-05-2008, 06:38 PM	#10
chaztrip Seeking not Found Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 698 Real Name: Charlie Main Seven: Ibanez RG7620 Rig: POD>Revalver MKIII Thanked: 27	I have both... a ATX with Blackouts and my new Loomis with EMG's..... And I had a Hellraiser with EMGs... the guitar body and neck make a big difference to me... the EMGs did not sound so good in my Hellraiser but in this Loomis they Rock!!!! If I had to pick between those I would go with with the blackouts...... But Buy a Loomis!!!! LOL

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