Trem help needed!

eon_shift · 11-13-2007, 01:26 AM

Ok so I have a 1527 ive had it for 2-3 months and ever since i changed the origional strings everytime i bend or use the trem it goes out of tune. The new strings are 10's the origionals were 9's the problem has been happenning for like a week so its not the new strings. could it be the way i restrung it i didnt even wrap the strings around the tunning pegs once. but this shouldnt really be a problem because of the locking nut. any suggestions

Toshiro · 11-13-2007, 01:39 AM

Did you stretch the strings properly when you put them on? Letting the guitar sit, or playing it, will not stretch the strings out. I would get at least 1-2 wraps around the tuner, so you can actually stretch the strings. Having no wraps does not eliminate the stretching issue.

Did you reset the trem's angle when you went to the larger gauge? An out of balance floyd can go out of tune.

Is it sticking? If you push the bar down, and get the guitar in tune, does it stay in tune after dives, but go sharp after pull-ups? This would be the knife edges being dull, or the studs having a bur or flat spot.

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ibznorange · 11-13-2007, 02:26 AM

rub a pencil tip on the string where it goes to the nut. sometimes, with larger gauge strings, the nut has a touch of slippage. the graphite in the pencil helps that return to zero

Toshiro · 11-13-2007, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibznorange

rub a pencil tip on the string where it goes to the nut. sometimes, with larger gauge strings, the nut has a touch of slippage. the graphite in the pencil helps that return to zero

I fail to see how this will make any difference in a locking nut where the string is not supposed to move at all.

Graphite works on regular nuts, to lubricate it so the strings don't hang up.

Metal Ken · 11-13-2007, 02:42 AM

teflon lube on the tremposts, like the almighty Kevan suggests?

ibznorange · 11-13-2007, 03:08 AM

when using bigger strings with a floyd locknut, sometimes the difference between the 2 strings under a single nut (3 in the middle nut of a 7), is enough such that the smaller string can move just a little. not much, but enough to take your string slightly out of tune. it will slip in just a little, and not back out, or out but not back in, and the graphite fixes that.
Its not a huge help, but it fixed my rg6

ChrisPcritter · 11-13-2007, 03:10 AM

are the pads on the lock nut facing the right direction. The pad comes to a peak which needs to run the same direction as the strings..

Toshiro · 11-13-2007, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibznorange

when using bigger strings with a floyd locknut, sometimes the difference between the 2 strings under a single nut (3 in the middle nut of a 7), is enough such that the smaller string can move just a little. not much, but enough to take your string slightly out of tune. it will slip in just a little, and not back out, or out but not back in, and the graphite fixes that.
Its not a huge help, but it fixed my rg6

I never had that issue with my RG7620, even with the center clamp, nor have I ever had it happen with any of the other double-locking guitars I've owned.

Now, I've seen loose locking nuts(where it attaches to the neck) affect tuning stability, but in my experience it's usually the knife edges/posts, or the strings not being stretched properly. Especially when it's the whole guitar going out of tune.

ibznorange · 11-13-2007, 03:33 AM

yeah, one string will go cause of the nut (its uncommon, but it happens) but not the whole guitar.

eon_shift · 11-13-2007, 03:40 AM

well this is my first trem guitar so i didnt stretch the strings so maybe thats it i thought they would strench themselves over like
2 days like hard tails

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11-13-2007, 01:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
eon_shift ss.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Pickering, Ontario Posts: 239 Real Name: James Main Seven: Ibanez Rg 1527 prestiege Rig: Line 6 spider2 Thanked: 2	Trem help needed! Ok so I have a 1527 ive had it for 2-3 months and ever since i changed the origional strings everytime i bend or use the trem it goes out of tune. The new strings are 10's the origionals were 9's the problem has been happenning for like a week so its not the new strings. could it be the way i restrung it i didnt even wrap the strings around the tunning pegs once. but this shouldnt really be a problem because of the locking nut. any suggestions

11-13-2007, 01:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
Toshiro Lazy Basterd Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Port Orange, FL Posts: 4,924 Main Seven: Schecter C7 Blackjack Rig: Laney GH50L & GT8 Thanked: 9	Did you stretch the strings properly when you put them on? Letting the guitar sit, or playing it, will not stretch the strings out. I would get at least 1-2 wraps around the tuner, so you can actually stretch the strings. Having no wraps does not eliminate the stretching issue. Did you reset the trem's angle when you went to the larger gauge? An out of balance floyd can go out of tune. Is it sticking? If you push the bar down, and get the guitar in tune, does it stay in tune after dives, but go sharp after pull-ups? This would be the knife edges being dull, or the studs having a bur or flat spot. Lots of set-up and restringing info for Ibanez guitars here: IBANEZ RULES!! tech - setup Um, Like Sound Files and Stuff ^_^ oh yeah, and some crappy videos too!

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ibznorange Chief Officer/RHLC © Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: AZ Posts: 7,466 Real Name: Max Main Seven: Ir now Sevenless :squint: Main ERG: A Dead Cat Rig: Mesa Rectoverb Combo Thanked: 46	when using bigger strings with a floyd locknut, sometimes the difference between the 2 strings under a single nut (3 in the middle nut of a 7), is enough such that the smaller string can move just a little. not much, but enough to take your string slightly out of tune. it will slip in just a little, and not back out, or out but not back in, and the graphite fixes that. Its not a huge help, but it fixed my rg6

11-13-2007, 03:10 AM	#7 (permalink)
ChrisPcritter Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dixon Ca. Posts: 831 Main Seven: K7 Rig: Rivera khr100 w/sub Thanked: 18	are the pads on the lock nut facing the right direction. The pad comes to a peak which needs to run the same direction as the strings..

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ibznorange Chief Officer/RHLC © Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: AZ Posts: 7,466 Real Name: Max Main Seven: Ir now Sevenless :squint: Main ERG: A Dead Cat Rig: Mesa Rectoverb Combo Thanked: 46	yeah, one string will go cause of the nut (its uncommon, but it happens) but not the whole guitar.

11-13-2007, 03:40 AM	#10 (permalink)
eon_shift ss.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Pickering, Ontario Posts: 239 Real Name: James Main Seven: Ibanez Rg 1527 prestiege Rig: Line 6 spider2 Thanked: 2	well this is my first trem guitar so i didnt stretch the strings so maybe thats it i thought they would strench themselves over like 2 days like hard tails

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