Damn spring keeps popping out!!!!

7 Dying Trees · 11-04-2005, 11:54 AM

This is to do with the new PWH and it's never happened before on any guitar I've owned, and I used to snap whammy bars...

OK, so before anyone syas "why don't you use the spring retainer" I will point out I use 4 springs to counteract the heavy gauge it's set up with (10->70) and as such 3 springs just doesn't cut it!

Anyway, every time I go for some funny whammy stuff one of the springs pops out, and always the same one. Do you reckon it's the string? Anyway, this is the first time I've owned a 7string edge, and it is actually more fun foor whammy stuff, but this keeps happening which is annoying...

Could it be the spring, or does anyone have any tips that don't involve the spring retainer bar as I can't mount it with the amount of springs i use...

James

frank falbo · 11-04-2005, 12:02 PM

Can't you use the spring retainer with one screw?

Drew · 11-04-2005, 12:19 PM

You could try that, and it might be enough to hold it in place. I'm guessing you wouldn't need much pressure.

Two guesses - 1.) it could be a bad spring. 2.) it could be a partially stripped out edge block, so that rather than a sharp right angle where the spring enters the block, it's at a slight slant. I don't think a new block would be too expensive, but it might be a PITA to replace - as I recall you have to pull all the string saddles to access the screws that mount the block in place, which means you either need to mark everything perfectly, or redo your intonation when you're finished (not a bad idea, as you're now running what, 11's?)

-D

The Dark Wolf · 11-04-2005, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frank falbo

Can't you use the spring retainer with one screw?

I do that, since I use 4 springs, too. Works fine, thanks to the great Ibanez trem.

My guess is it's a bad spring. If it's one of the retainer holes, which, as Drew points out, it could be, just try a different hole. But really, the retainers work fine with only one screw.

7 Dying Trees · 11-04-2005, 02:13 PM

Aye, my blondness didn't lead me to think of just using one screw. but voila! it is done

Drew: I'm using 10-52 sets with a 70 tuned a step down to A

Drew · 11-04-2005, 02:23 PM

James, you're a wuss.

*11-48 with 68 in standard deems you false.*

Chris · 11-04-2005, 02:43 PM

*70 in standard deems Drew's roommate my concubine*

Drew · 11-04-2005, 03:25 PM

She's moving in with her boyfriend, bro, that might be a tough sell.

(see, I saw your name here and figured it'd be straight up trem bashing, but noooo, your OTHER favorite thing to do, hit on my roommate.

)

Chris · 11-04-2005, 03:32 PM

Read like a book.

Kevan · 11-05-2005, 12:41 AM

James- I just got your email, but figured I'd give you a preview before I drop it in the mail to you:

This time, I didn't have to build it in a dressing room.

11-04-2005, 11:54 AM	#1
7 Dying Trees Sarcy English Twat Join Date: May 2004 Location: 7th Ethereal Plane of interstellar hell, Innit Bruv, Safe, London, UK Posts: 6,546 Real Name: James Main Seven: UV7PWH / UV7BK / RG2027 Main ERG: 10 fingers of metal death Rig: VHT UL->Orange 4x12 Thanked: 82	Damn spring keeps popping out!!!! This is to do with the new PWH and it's never happened before on any guitar I've owned, and I used to snap whammy bars... OK, so before anyone syas "why don't you use the spring retainer" I will point out I use 4 springs to counteract the heavy gauge it's set up with (10->70) and as such 3 springs just doesn't cut it! Anyway, every time I go for some funny whammy stuff one of the springs pops out, and always the same one. Do you reckon it's the string? Anyway, this is the first time I've owned a 7string edge, and it is actually more fun foor whammy stuff, but this keeps happening which is annoying... Could it be the spring, or does anyone have any tips that don't involve the spring retainer bar as I can't mount it with the amount of springs i use... James The Chaos has come: www.chaosanct.com

11-04-2005, 12:19 PM	#3
Drew Fear the Polo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 21,267 Real Name: Call me Ahab... Main Seven: 1991 Ibanez UV7PWH Main ERG: Sherman 5-string bass Rig: Mesa Recto-verb 50 Thanked: 141	You could try that, and it might be enough to hold it in place. I'm guessing you wouldn't need much pressure. Two guesses - 1.) it could be a bad spring. 2.) it could be a partially stripped out edge block, so that rather than a sharp right angle where the spring enters the block, it's at a slight slant. I don't think a new block would be too expensive, but it might be a PITA to replace - as I recall you have to pull all the string saddles to access the screws that mount the block in place, which means you either need to mark everything perfectly, or redo your intonation when you're finished (not a bad idea, as you're now running what, 11's?) -D "...and everything under the sun is in tune, but the sun is eclipsed by the moon."

11-04-2005, 02:43 PM	#7
Chris Adminishredder Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boston, Mass Posts: 16,616 Real Name: Mr. F. Johnson Main Seven: Sherman Custom Main ERG: Douglas 6ST Bass Rig: 2101 -> S160 -> Mesa Thanked: 535	70 in standard deems Drew's roommate my concubine Behold: http://www.metalguitarist.org

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11-04-2005, 12:02 PM	#2
frank falbo ss.org Regular Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 224 Main Seven: Custom Thanked: 9 / 1	Can't you use the spring retainer with one screw?

11-04-2005, 02:13 PM	#5
7 Dying Trees Sarcy English Twat Join Date: May 2004 Location: 7th Ethereal Plane of interstellar hell, Innit Bruv, Safe, London, UK Posts: 6,546 Real Name: James Main Seven: UV7PWH / UV7BK / RG2027 Main ERG: 10 fingers of metal death Rig: VHT UL->Orange 4x12 Thanked: 82	Aye, my blondness didn't lead me to think of just using one screw. but voila! it is done Drew: I'm using 10-52 sets with a 70 tuned a step down to A

11-04-2005, 02:23 PM	#6
Drew Fear the Polo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 21,267 Real Name: Call me Ahab... Main Seven: 1991 Ibanez UV7PWH Main ERG: Sherman 5-string bass Rig: Mesa Recto-verb 50 Thanked: 141	James, you're a wuss. 11-48 with 68 in standard deems you false.

11-04-2005, 03:25 PM	#8
Drew Fear the Polo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 21,267 Real Name: Call me Ahab... Main Seven: 1991 Ibanez UV7PWH Main ERG: Sherman 5-string bass Rig: Mesa Recto-verb 50 Thanked: 141	She's moving in with her boyfriend, bro, that might be a tough sell. (see, I saw your name here and figured it'd be straight up trem bashing, but noooo, your OTHER favorite thing to do, hit on my roommate. )

11-04-2005, 03:32 PM	#9
Chris Adminishredder Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boston, Mass Posts: 16,616 Real Name: Mr. F. Johnson Main Seven: Sherman Custom Main ERG: Douglas 6ST Bass Rig: 2101 -> S160 -> Mesa Thanked: 535	Read like a book.

11-05-2005, 12:41 AM	#10
Kevan The Tremol-No Guy Join Date: May 2005 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,645 Main Seven: RG-7-CST Rig: Rivera TBR-2SL 4x12 Thanked: 31	James- I just got your email, but figured I'd give you a preview before I drop it in the mail to you: This time, I didn't have to build it in a dressing room.


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