Shred pedal???

[MetalMike]

Originally Posted by yevetz

I understand only about treble.....

What need I do with other EQ ( mid and bass) ?

I have 2 distors (Digitech Grunge and Digitech DF-7)

@ PLAYSTOPPAUSE

home Ibanez TBR 15

Studio & Live H&K Attax 100

Alot of metal bands like to scoop or turn down the mids which isn't good for shred tones. You want to keep the mids a little bit over 1 oclock and the bass at about half way.

[yevetz]

Originally Posted by MetalMike

Alot of metal bands like to scoop or turn down the mids which isn't good for shred tones. You want to keep the mids a little bit over 1 oclock and the bass at about half way.

Uh.........man I really want to understandwhat you mean ...but I can't

Can you drow it please

[Jongpil Yun]

Originally Posted by yevetz

Uh.........man I really want to understandwhat you mean ...but I can't

Can you drow it please

Basically, he's saying:

1. Not too much treble, or it hurts your ears

2. Don't turn the mids down too much

3. Medium amount of bass

4. Turn the gain on your overdrive pedal down, but turn the volume or level control up.

5. A little delay + reverb

Also, to "scoop" your mids means to take out or turn down the mids in the EQ.

[playstopause]

Originally Posted by yevetz

@ PLAYSTOPPAUSE

home Ibanez TBR 15

Studio & Live H&K Attax 100

"home Ibanez TBR 15" said you have to shred??? I don't get this.

Do you have a FX loop on your amp?

[Drew]

I'm not familiar with the H&K amp, but I'd be surprised if it doesn't have enough gain to play shred. The Ibanez Toneblaster, meanwhile, I KNOW has enough gain. I don't think you necessarily NEED a new pedal.

I'm the minority here, but I really don't use THAT much gain when I'm playing shreddy stuff. I'm using more than I used to, true, but I'm happiest when the gain is at a point where notes sustain perfectly fine, but they're not so over-saturated that my pick attack can really change the "sound" of the notes a lot. To put it into perspective, I typically have the gain between 5-6 on my Rectifier, and my pickups aren't really THAT close to the strings, so that's not super high gain.

It's EASIER to shred with a ton of gain, true, but if your technique is any good, it'll sound a lot better with less. Look at "For the Love of God" - one of the greatest "shred" solos ever, and Vai plays that with a Universe plugged straight into a Marshall JCM800 head, cranked up. Not much gain at all, and you can totally tell.

[yevetz]

Originally Posted by playstopause

Do you have a FX loop on your amp?

no




So guys as I understand

EQ

BASS (/\) MIDLE (<-) Treble (->)


IT'S AN AROWS OF KNOBS

[8string]

Originally Posted by OzzyC

LAWLS!!

But seriously, I've got a tc electronics integrated preamp that work wonders on a dual recto type amp. just turn down the bass and up the treble on the pre and make up for it on the amp. this will with a bit of tweaking give you a very meshuggah like tone. I don't know if that's your sound, but it definitely give a clear sound that's great for chords and lots of overtones.

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by yevetz

no




So guys as I understand

EQ

BASS (/\) MIDLE (<-) Treble (->)


IT'S AN AROWS OF KNOBS

More like:
BASS (/\) MID (/\) TREB (<-)

Except maybe a little less bass, a bit more mid, and perhaps slightly more treble.

[yevetz]

Ok delay must to be short and fast?

[MetalMike]

Originally Posted by Drew

I'm not familiar with the H&K amp, but I'd be surprised if it doesn't have enough gain to play shred. The Ibanez Toneblaster, meanwhile, I KNOW has enough gain. I don't think you necessarily NEED a new pedal.

I'm the minority here, but I really don't use THAT much gain when I'm playing shreddy stuff. I'm using more than I used to, true, but I'm happiest when the gain is at a point where notes sustain perfectly fine, but they're not so over-saturated that my pick attack can really change the "sound" of the notes a lot. To put it into perspective, I typically have the gain between 5-6 on my Rectifier, and my pickups aren't really THAT close to the strings, so that's not super high gain.

It's EASIER to shred with a ton of gain, true, but if your technique is any good, it'll sound a lot better with less. Look at "For the Love of God" - one of the greatest "shred" solos ever, and Vai plays that with a Universe plugged straight into a Marshall JCM800 head, cranked up. Not much gain at all, and you can totally tell.

I disagree. I think it's more difficult to shred with more gain, especially on a 7, because your muting technique must be perfect. If you can do Andy James like tapped runs with a ton of gain and without string dampener, I doubt that your technique isn't any good. I would say it's good to practice with less gain because the amp gives less of a push, forcing the tone to come from your fingers. Then, if you play with more gain, you'll sound even better with a more refined or polished technique. I don't play with an overwhelming amount of gain myself. (The JSX has a TON of gain.) My tone comes from the TS9 boost in front of the JSX.

Originally Posted by yevetz

Ok delay must to be short and fast?

[yevetz]

Originally Posted by MetalMike

Show me an example please

[MetalMike]

[media] http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/juk...e=media&mid=65 [/media]

You need to use just enough delay to give your tone a bit of substance. You don't really want to hear the delay very much.

Edit: I can't get the media player to work. Use the link.

http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/juk...e=media&mid=65

[Drew]

Originally Posted by MetalMike

I disagree. I think it's more difficult to shred with more gain, especially on a 7, because your muting technique must be perfect. If you can do Andy James like tapped runs with a ton of gain and without string dampener, I doubt that your technique isn't any good. I would say it's good to practice with less gain because the amp gives less of a push, forcing the tone to come from your fingers. Then, if you play with more gain, you'll sound even better with a more refined or polished technique. I don't play with an overwhelming amount of gain myself. (The JSX has a TON of gain.) My tone comes from the TS9 boost in front of the JSX.

different strokes for different folks. My experience is you'll have trouble with muting at ANY gain level if you're not clean, and it's a lot easier too hide sloppy legato and sweeping behind high gain than low. Then again, I'm not much of an alternate picker, so I could see that if you are the lower gain isn't much of a hinderance.

Either way, I personally think the tone is better without a ....ton of gain, for more or less the same reasons as you.

[yevetz]

Originally Posted by MetalMike

[media] http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/juk...e=media&mid=65 [/media]

You need to use just enough delay to give your tone a bit of substance. You don't really want to hear the delay very much.

Edit: I can't get the media player to work. Use the link.

http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/juk...e=media&mid=65

Thanks very much

So as I understand

DELAY IS NOT FOR DELAY ....IT FOR condense THE SOUND.......YES?

[8string]

Originally Posted by Drew

different strokes for different folks. My experience is you'll have trouble with muting at ANY gain level if you're not clean, and it's a lot easier too hide sloppy legato and sweeping behind high gain than low. Then again, I'm not much of an alternate picker, so I could see that if you are the lower gain isn't much of a hinderance.

Either way, I personally think the tone is better without a ....ton of gain, for more or less the same reasons as you.

True, if you're after that wimpy petrucci sound.

[Drew]

Originally Posted by yevetz

Thanks very much

So as I understand

DELAY IS NOT FOR DELAY ....IT FOR condense THE SOUND.......YES?

Some people think that, yes.

Myself, I like using delay for delay.

[yevetz]

Originally Posted by Drew

Some people think that, yes.

Myself, I like using delay for delay.

No I mean whey I am shred

[MetalMike]

Originally Posted by Drew

Either way, I personally think the tone is better without a ....ton of gain, for more or less the same reasons as you.

It also helps you cut through the mix in a live situation.