1st 7 string: cow vs blackjack.

sakeido · 07-25-2007, 06:52 PM

I vote COW. The ebony fretboard still feels better then the rosewood on all the other 7s I've played before and since, and that includes my JP7. Slap some elixir baritone strings on the bottom and you are set.

eelblack2 · 07-25-2007, 09:43 PM

I vote COW as well in that price range. Used, they can be pretty cheap if you shop around.

musicboyy · 07-26-2007, 09:03 AM

I've owned both and liked the Blackjack much more. I just thought the Blackjack sounded better and was more versatile. Also, my COW had problems staying in tune and the Blackjack rarely went out of tune. However, if you are just looking for a good rhythm guitar, the COW is a good choice as it seems to be designed for that. If you feel that later down the line you may want some versatility, I'd go for the Blackjack. Also, the Blackjack produces some amazing clean tones...

Sebastian · 07-26-2007, 10:33 AM

Just Joking..

Pick the COW7 !!!!

Shawn · 07-26-2007, 11:53 AM

Welcome! I've never played a COW7 but i've played a Blackjack and I really liked it, the feel, the looks, the sound and playability was nice.

HamBungler · 07-26-2007, 12:59 PM

I say the Schecter's the overall better value, and the COW will only get you by for so long before you tire of it I think. Ebony boards are nice, but even in my experience, I hardly even touch the board, mostly just strings and frets for me.
And you can always stain the fretboard if you would like it to look darker, and the neck is uber comfortable too.

Drew · 07-26-2007, 01:10 PM

This is SO much based on personal taste.

I don't like active pickups for rhythm, i have no preference between rosewoood and ebony (I prefer maple to either), and I like the tone from a neck pickup. Additionally, I love having a tone knob available even if I rarely use it, and I think the COW is tone-knob-less. For me, it's a no-brainer, the Blackjack has a lot more of what I want from a guitar, and is cheaper to boot.

So, really, think what specs you need in a guitar. You want taut strings, so the Blackjack takes an edge. You like ebony more than rosewood, so the COW pulls level. I've never played a COW, so I can't speak for Korean Jackson build quality, but Schecter has bar-none the best fretwork I've ever played on a Korean guitar, and buuild quality is right up there with Japan's heyday. the COW may be equal, but I can't say.

So, the real question is, would you ever miss a neck pickup? Not, do you NEED one, but would you sometimes want to switch to the neck pickup or the in-between H-H setting (which is a super-defined rhythm tone, incidently), or if you'd want a coil-tapped sound for, say, cleans. Also, do you like EMG's, or would you be happier with passives?

sakeido · 07-26-2007, 02:29 PM

The COW is made in Japan..

Sebastian · 07-26-2007, 02:32 PM

.. Japan FTW

daniboy · 07-26-2007, 02:43 PM

hey! you fellas are so much help!

i fully agree that the blackjack is more versatile and more bang for the buck compared to the cow. the option of having a neck pickup is nice although i don't use it much except for the occasional lead work and clean melodic chording stuff which i can get by using the bridge pickup. for the money, you get a tonepros t-o-m and grover tuners as well as a set-neck.

but somehow, i am attracted to the sinister vibe and minimalist approach of the cow. ok, you got me there. i admit my crush on a cow is only skin deep. the only plus is the ebony fingerboard and maybe the emg 707 for tight rhythm work. for sure the cow does not have the bells and whistles of the blackjack.

that said, i am trying to work out a deal with antiochband/chris for his blackjack. wish me luck guys!

thanks as always,
dani

07-25-2007, 06:52 PM	#11
sakeido Is a Pastafarian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Calgary AB Posts: 4,202 Real Name: Cody Main Seven: COW7 Silverburst Main ERG: 2077XL Rig: Invader/AxeFX/Orange Thanked: 223	I vote COW. The ebony fretboard still feels better then the rosewood on all the other 7s I've played before and since, and that includes my JP7. Slap some elixir baritone strings on the bottom and you are set. _________________________ "Ah, she's built like a steakhouse but she handles like a bistro" - ZB My Soundclick Page

07-26-2007, 11:53 AM	#15
Shawn Ibanez 7s Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 19,089 Main Seven: '91 UV7PWH, '91 UV7BK Rig: Fender Stage Thanked: 139	Welcome! I've never played a COW7 but i've played a Blackjack and I really liked it, the feel, the looks, the sound and playability was nice. www.myspace.com/flothru www.myspace.com/shawncastonguay

07-26-2007, 12:59 PM	#16
HamBungler Lord Zorgatron Join Date: May 2007 Location: Woodville, OH Posts: 1,198 Real Name: Nate Main Seven: Schecter A-7 w/X2N7 Rig: Peavey -> GNX 3 Thanked: 17	I say the Schecter's the overall better value, and the COW will only get you by for so long before you tire of it I think. Ebony boards are nice, but even in my experience, I hardly even touch the board, mostly just strings and frets for me. And you can always stain the fretboard if you would like it to look darker, and the neck is uber comfortable too. I'm assuming he's going to want to mass produce these rack pies, and why not? I love racks, I love pies, so put them together and you have pie covered titties. - JJ Don't thank me, thank the wombat rapist. - Jamie And Now, a song about Zombies.-some metalcore vocalist Mah Deviantart Myspace The Many Faces of Egoraptor

07-26-2007, 01:10 PM	#17
Drew Fear the Polo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 21,365 Real Name: Call me Ahab... Main Seven: 1991 Ibanez UV7PWH Main ERG: Sherman 5-string bass Rig: Mesa Recto-verb 50 Thanked: 141	This is SO much based on personal taste. I don't like active pickups for rhythm, i have no preference between rosewoood and ebony (I prefer maple to either), and I like the tone from a neck pickup. Additionally, I love having a tone knob available even if I rarely use it, and I think the COW is tone-knob-less. For me, it's a no-brainer, the Blackjack has a lot more of what I want from a guitar, and is cheaper to boot. So, really, think what specs you need in a guitar. You want taut strings, so the Blackjack takes an edge. You like ebony more than rosewood, so the COW pulls level. I've never played a COW, so I can't speak for Korean Jackson build quality, but Schecter has bar-none the best fretwork I've ever played on a Korean guitar, and buuild quality is right up there with Japan's heyday. the COW may be equal, but I can't say. So, the real question is, would you ever miss a neck pickup? Not, do you NEED one, but would you sometimes want to switch to the neck pickup or the in-between H-H setting (which is a super-defined rhythm tone, incidently), or if you'd want a coil-tapped sound for, say, cleans. Also, do you like EMG's, or would you be happier with passives? "...and everything under the sun is in tune, but the sun is eclipsed by the moon." http://www.metalguitarist.org

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07-25-2007, 09:43 PM	#12
eelblack2 H8ing Non Shermans Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 1,336 Real Name: Lee Main Seven: Shermans Main ERG: Sherman 8 and 9 Rig: JMP1>Triaxis>9100 Thanked: 8	I vote COW as well in that price range. Used, they can be pretty cheap if you shop around.

07-26-2007, 09:03 AM	#13
musicboyy ss.org Regular Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chelmsford, MA Posts: 296 Real Name: Dan Main Seven: Ibanez UV7BK '97 Rig: NI Guitar Rig Thanked: 3	I've owned both and liked the Blackjack much more. I just thought the Blackjack sounded better and was more versatile. Also, my COW had problems staying in tune and the Blackjack rarely went out of tune. However, if you are just looking for a good rhythm guitar, the COW is a good choice as it seems to be designed for that. If you feel that later down the line you may want some versatility, I'd go for the Blackjack. Also, the Blackjack produces some amazing clean tones...

07-26-2007, 10:33 AM	#14
Sebastian ss.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cracow, Poland Posts: 3,384 Real Name: Sebastian Thanked: 38	Just Joking.. Pick the COW7 !!!!

07-26-2007, 02:29 PM	#18
sakeido Is a Pastafarian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Calgary AB Posts: 4,202 Real Name: Cody Main Seven: COW7 Silverburst Main ERG: 2077XL Rig: Invader/AxeFX/Orange Thanked: 223	The COW is made in Japan..

07-26-2007, 02:32 PM	#19
Sebastian ss.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cracow, Poland Posts: 3,384 Real Name: Sebastian Thanked: 38	.. Japan FTW

07-26-2007, 02:43 PM	#20
daniboy what?!? Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: singapore Posts: 137 Real Name: dani Main Seven: esp vp230-sl7 vw Thanked: 5	hey! you fellas are so much help! i fully agree that the blackjack is more versatile and more bang for the buck compared to the cow. the option of having a neck pickup is nice although i don't use it much except for the occasional lead work and clean melodic chording stuff which i can get by using the bridge pickup. for the money, you get a tonepros t-o-m and grover tuners as well as a set-neck. but somehow, i am attracted to the sinister vibe and minimalist approach of the cow. ok, you got me there. i admit my crush on a cow is only skin deep. the only plus is the ebony fingerboard and maybe the emg 707 for tight rhythm work. for sure the cow does not have the bells and whistles of the blackjack. that said, i am trying to work out a deal with antiochband/chris for his blackjack. wish me luck guys! thanks as always, dani


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