My First Seven String: The Dilemma

Codyyy · 06-22-2007, 09:39 PM

I only have six string guitars as of now. Seems to me like the perfect opportunity to get myself a nice seven. I have a bit of criteria that I would like it to follow.

No Floyd Rose or other trem
Preferably under $1000
24 fret

I want a guitar with optimal sustain. Hence why I ruled out trem systems.

The guitar that interests me the most is the Schecter Hellraiser C7. I've played I and I thought it was godly. However, I've recently heard some bad things about it. What is your opinion on it?

I've also checked out some Carvins and Ibanezes(?). The main thing that turned me away from them leaves me with a question. Is an extended scale preferable to keep the low B from sounding loose/muddy? Or is 25.5 fine? I generally trust Carvin's products (VERY happy with my V3), but I've heard bad things about their pickups.

Not to sound cliche, but I play primarily metal, if that's a deciding factor.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Metal Ken · 06-22-2007, 09:44 PM

From what i hear about carvins, the pickups arent BAD, per se. But if you want to change them you'll have to tweak your pickups.
The 25.5" scale is really workable, but an extended scale helps. You'll just need bigger strings for the same tension on a 25.5" scale.
If you're looking for a good guitar to see if the seven string is for you, you can usually get a used Ibanez 7621 or 7421 (Fixed bridge versions of the 7620 and 7420) for around 300-350$. Change the pickups and you've got an excellent quality guitar.
But the C7 Hellraiser and C7 Blackjacks ARE excellent guitars, and would make great choices as well.

eleven59 · 06-22-2007, 09:48 PM

I love my Hellraiser, not a single complaint about it. And I'd kill for a Blackjack to go along with it some day.

Eric · 06-22-2007, 10:08 PM

I vote 7621 with aftermarket pups.

Benzesp · 06-22-2007, 10:18 PM

Keep the options down and you can get a Carvin for under a G with a hard tail.

Leon · 06-22-2007, 10:18 PM

i actually played a Hellraiser today. for being an Ibanez / passive pickup guy, it was a sweet guitar

Codyyy · 06-22-2007, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7Strings

I vote 7621 with aftermarket pups.

I take it that's not a model that's currently available. Didn't see it on the Nez website.

MerlinTKD · 06-22-2007, 10:41 PM

ESP-LTD's are great guitars (though I have little experience with the others mentioned)

On eBay right now there are 5 listed, including an SC-607 (Stephen Carpenter model) with EMG's

Good luck, whatever you decide! Remember to post pics when you get one!!

Eric · 06-22-2007, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Codyyy

I take it that's not a model that's currently available. Didn't see it on the Nez website.

No I believe the 7321 is the only production sevenstring hardtail right now. My 7620s were made in '99 and '98 if that gives you a time frame... They are older Ibanez RGs that were made in Japan and are quite high in terms of quality and you would easily be able to find one in good condition and upgrade the pickups to whatever your taste was and it would fit quite comfortably within your price range.

HamBungler · 06-22-2007, 11:12 PM

Schecter makes awesome quality guitars. I'm simply in love with my Avenger 7, now that I changed the bridge pickup to an X2N7, which just sounds ungodly. If you go for a lower priced Schecter and just change out the pickups with the money you save, you'd have a great guitar!

That and Schecter sent me a free push-pull pot through Guitar Center because the sales guy messed up and reccomended a long-shaft pot instead of the short-shaft. And a free sticker. Huzzah!

06-22-2007, 09:39 PM	#1
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06-22-2007, 09:44 PM	#2
Metal Ken Dissident Aggressor • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 16,452 Real Name: Legion Main Seven: Loomis, C7HR, Giannini 7 Rig: Mesa Rectoverb 50 Thanked: 73	From what i hear about carvins, the pickups arent BAD, per se. But if you want to change them you'll have to tweak your pickups. The 25.5" scale is really workable, but an extended scale helps. You'll just need bigger strings for the same tension on a 25.5" scale. If you're looking for a good guitar to see if the seven string is for you, you can usually get a used Ibanez 7621 or 7421 (Fixed bridge versions of the 7620 and 7420) for around 300-350$. Change the pickups and you've got an excellent quality guitar. But the C7 Hellraiser and C7 Blackjacks ARE excellent guitars, and would make great choices as well. Almighty asmodeus, existant of chaos Ominous be thy name Thy kingdom come on earth Lead me into all temptation of my flesh So I may trespass greatly into Thy ways by my desires ~Fornicatus Benefictus http://www.myspace.com/impurity Brutal Skullfucking Death Metal

06-22-2007, 09:48 PM	#3
eleven59 Terrorhorse Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,877 Real Name: Aaron Main Seven: Schecter Hellraiser C7 Rig: Line6 Flextone II HD Thanked: 109	I love my Hellraiser, not a single complaint about it. And I'd kill for a Blackjack to go along with it some day. --------------- TERRORHORSE Eleven59 Your Extended Network

06-22-2007, 10:08 PM	#4
Eric Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: AZ Posts: 1,394 Real Name: Eric Main Seven: RG7CTs & Old UVs Rig: 5150 --> Avatars Thanked: 31	I vote 7621 with aftermarket pups. For Sale: Ibanez RG7CT w/ UV case - $1800 plus ship/paypal 2008 PRS Custom 24 10 Top w/ case - $2200 plus ship/paypal PM me for more information No trades please

06-22-2007, 10:18 PM	#6
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06-22-2007, 10:18 PM	#5
Benzesp IdrinkYourMilkshake! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Austin,TX Posts: 955 Real Name: Benny Main Seven: Custom Ukulele 7 Rig: Splawn>2 Mesa 4x12's Thanked: 16	Keep the options down and you can get a Carvin for under a G with a hard tail.

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06-22-2007, 11:12 PM	#10
HamBungler Lord Zorgatron Join Date: May 2007 Location: Woodville, OH Posts: 1,198 Real Name: Nate Main Seven: Schecter A-7 w/X2N7 Rig: Peavey -> GNX 3 Thanked: 17	Schecter makes awesome quality guitars. I'm simply in love with my Avenger 7, now that I changed the bridge pickup to an X2N7, which just sounds ungodly. If you go for a lower priced Schecter and just change out the pickups with the money you save, you'd have a great guitar! That and Schecter sent me a free push-pull pot through Guitar Center because the sales guy messed up and reccomended a long-shaft pot instead of the short-shaft. And a free sticker. Huzzah! I'm assuming he's going to want to mass produce these rack pies, and why not? I love racks, I love pies, so put them together and you have pie covered titties. - JJ Don't thank me, thank the wombat rapist. - Jamie And Now, a song about Zombies.-some metalcore vocalist Mah Deviantart Myspace The Many Faces of Egoraptor

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