Refret or Scallop?

koma · 01-24-2006, 07:42 PM

I've heard that it is quite a difference to play on a scalloped fretboard. What are the main differences with a normal fretboard and does it take long to get used to it??? Yngwie has all of his strats scalloped, hasn't he?

Elysian · 01-24-2006, 09:35 PM

the only thing i've noticed from the 2 scalloped boards i have is that vibrato is a bit easier... other than that, i personally don't notice much of a difference, but other people i know do, so ymmv... i did a 12-24 scallop on my RG7421, imo that is ideal, my RGT42 has a full scallop, and i have to run uber thick strings on it to not push too hard

Krypteia713 · 01-25-2006, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpm

you'll need to refret to do a proper scallop anyways. So there.

Would I need a refret if I only scalloped the last four frets?

Oogadee Boogadee · 01-25-2006, 09:53 AM

you dont' have to refret at all, in order to do the job. your scalloping doesn't necessarily have to be close to the actual fret. At the higher frets, it's unavoidable. But lower, it's an option, that really only looks cool. The more wood you leave, the safer for further work (refrets for example), and the more of the guitar's original tone you preserve, as unperceivable as that may be.

the other question - what's the main difference between a scalloped board and a normal one? It's like the difference in fret wire size. Small frets mean your fingertips touch the board right away, not allowing the string to "sit" and depress into your flesh as deep. This sucks if you need to "grab" the string for a nice bend or fat vibrato. Big frets solve that by allowing your strings to dig into your finger tips deeper. Scallops take it one step further.

Scallops with tiny frets are probably the best combination for precise intonation and playability, b/c of the fret's smaller surface area at the fret/string contact point.

Noodles currently has an H207 that I worked on. He should take some pics of it. It was my first ever scallop of a bound neck, which takes a little more care. I might sand down the edges of the binding later to further erase any angles created by my filing.

noodles · 02-06-2006, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oogadee Boogadee

Noodles currently has an H207 that I worked on. He should take some pics of it. It was my first ever scallop of a bound neck, which takes a little more care. I might sand down the edges of the binding later to further erase any angles created by my filing.

I really wish I saw this before I gave it back. If you want to bring your guitar out to practice sometime, I'll bring my camera with me. You really did an amazing job on that neck.

dpm · 02-06-2006, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oogadee Boogadee

you dont' have to refret at all, in order to do the job

You're absolutely correct. Depending on how you go about things it can make the process quite a bit easier. Matter of choice really

I'm not a fan of tiny frets for longevity, Dunlop 6105 is good and narrow but has tons of height so lasts a loooong time.

Leon · 02-07-2006, 09:13 PM

i'd say, refret. it's more reversible than scalloping

shredfreak · 03-08-2006, 09:36 PM

Got my 7620 scalloped all the way and i love it. gonna take a pic tomorrow cuz the one i have s*ck for the detail.

**EDIT**

Still lousy but meh, hope it kinda helps you out. To give you an idea of the dept, it's scalloped until half of the side dots.

http://users.pandora.be/ronald.wibo/...p%20detail.JPG

Elysian · 04-26-2006, 11:28 PM

i'd never do a full scallop again. i push way too hard in the lower register for that, it really sucks for riffing. i did a 12-24 scallop on this neck through 7 v i'm building currently, and its sextacular. i can't wait to finish it(though i'm still waiting on my pickup)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leon

i'd say, refret. it's more reversible than scalloping

i reversed a scallop on my RG7421

i mowed off the rosewood fingerboard with a jig and a thickness sander, and replaced it with ebony and new dunlop 6100 frets

JPMDan · 06-17-2006, 01:37 AM

after experiencing a scalloped board thanks to Elysian for bring over his awesome Sigma 7 string.

Scallop and a refret it'll do wonders

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Oogadee Boogadee ss.orggy biscuit Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 981 Real Name: James Main Seven: Gibson gtrs. Pearl Drums Rig: Mesa Roadster Thanked: 8	you dont' have to refret at all, in order to do the job. your scalloping doesn't necessarily have to be close to the actual fret. At the higher frets, it's unavoidable. But lower, it's an option, that really only looks cool. The more wood you leave, the safer for further work (refrets for example), and the more of the guitar's original tone you preserve, as unperceivable as that may be. the other question - what's the main difference between a scalloped board and a normal one? It's like the difference in fret wire size. Small frets mean your fingertips touch the board right away, not allowing the string to "sit" and depress into your flesh as deep. This sucks if you need to "grab" the string for a nice bend or fat vibrato. Big frets solve that by allowing your strings to dig into your finger tips deeper. Scallops take it one step further. Scallops with tiny frets are probably the best combination for precise intonation and playability, b/c of the fret's smaller surface area at the fret/string contact point. Noodles currently has an H207 that I worked on. He should take some pics of it. It was my first ever scallop of a bound neck, which takes a little more care. I might sand down the edges of the binding later to further erase any angles created by my filing. www.divisionusa.com www.myspace.com/division www.myspace.com/oogadeeboogadee www.myspace.com/seventhsonmd www.randyellefson.com www.myspace.com/randyellefson www.www.com.com

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Leon {##[====:::. • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Ohio Crew Posts: 11,750 Main Seven: RG7620 of Doom Rig: Mesa / Sovtek Thanked: 78	i'd say, refret. it's more reversible than scalloping I have a radical idea. The door swings both ways, we could reverse the particle flow through the gate. We'll cross the streams.

06-17-2006, 01:37 AM	#40
JPMDan Dis fuckin' guy... Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New Orleans, Louisiana Posts: 5,494 Real Name: Dan Main Seven: Conklin GTG-7T Rig: A. Reactor 112+PodXT Thanked: 42	after experiencing a scalloped board thanks to Elysian for bring over his awesome Sigma 7 string. Scallop and a refret it'll do wonders Last edited by JPMDan; 06-17-2006 at 01:38 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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01-24-2006, 07:42 PM	#31
koma ss.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Luxemburg Posts: 56 Main Seven: K-7 Rig: Peavey 6505 Engl XXL Thanked: 0	I've heard that it is quite a difference to play on a scalloped fretboard. What are the main differences with a normal fretboard and does it take long to get used to it??? Yngwie has all of his strats scalloped, hasn't he?

03-08-2006, 09:36 PM	#38
shredfreak ss.org Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ghent, Belgium Posts: 333 Main Seven: 7620 Rig: Crate/Rocktron Thanked: 0	Got my 7620 scalloped all the way and i love it. gonna take a pic tomorrow cuz the one i have sck for the detail. EDIT* Still lousy but meh, hope it kinda helps you out. To give you an idea of the dept, it's scalloped until half of the side dots. http://users.pandora.be/ronald.wibo/...p%20detail.JPG

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