Help me pick a new guitar!!! (Rythm Player)

DeL07 · 05-14-2007, 10:28 PM

Alright, so I'm finishing up high-school and my parents are probably gonna give me a whop of cash as a graduation present... So I thought I'd put that money to good use and get what I need once and for all! I'm getting the Zoom G9 pedal and a Radial Tonebone HotBritish OD...

Now I'm just torn apart at the guitar part... Bear in mind, I'm a rythm player and so I don't need a paperthin neck to shred fucking all over the place... I'm looking for a really fat and thick saturated distortion with a good amount of treble and I'll be tuning in C and possibly dropping the B cord... A good example of the sound I'm looking for is System of a Down - Steal this Album

So far here's what I've got...

Schecter C7 Hellraiser:
Pros: Amazing looks, nice and big comfy neck for rythm playing, loaded with EMGs for that big raw chunky high-gain sound, string-thru-body stability and 26.5 scale for my C tuning
Cons: Compression and sterility of EMGs, first time use of EMGs, Korean guitar, half-assed cleans(?), cheap grover tuners...

Schecter C7 Blackjack:
Pros: Pretty much the same as Hellraiser, Coil-Splitting, better cleans
Cons: Less rawness and chunkyness, farty '59 (kinda), boring black, 1 less tone knob, cheap grover tuners, maple neck

ESP LTD SC-607B:
Pros: Full Baritone length, flatter neck, EMG 81-7 Set, Reverse HS (I'm a sucker for these!), Schaller Locking tuners....
Cons: Mid pup apparently kinda useless, not full mahogany, much pricier than the others, same worries about EMGs...

Ibanez RG1527
Pros: Absolutely Amazing quality and craftsmanship, Great Trem, Coil-Splitting, amazing neck, neutral and clean sounding wood
Cons: Gay color, trem might pose problems for C tuning, regular 25.5 scale, High action because of trem, mediocre pickups, never had much experience with basswood might not be best for big fat rythm, maple neck...

Ibanez MMM1 (would mod it with APC pups)
Pros: Absolutely gorgeous guitar, full baritone scale 28'', great hardware, crazy chukyness and low-end, amazing note definition, retarded sustain...
Cons: Bridge is great but dosen't go super low, stocks pups are on the muddy side with heavy gain, easily scratchable... Biggest flaw... 6 strings...

thedownside · 05-14-2007, 10:38 PM

only thing i can really comment on is the sc-607b and it's pickup placement. only having had my 207 for a few days, i've already found allot of uses for the middle. it might not be a 'typical' pickup and placement, but i've gotten some nice tones out of it, both semi-gritty and fully distorted. only problem is it might get in the way of your picking. i've dropped it a bit, and it's still allot to get used to.

Unknown Doodl3.2 · 05-14-2007, 10:48 PM

Salut!!! Je voie que toi aussi tu vien du royaume de la poutine!

lol

Check out the hellraiser dude, I played one recently and you pretty much forget its korean as soon as you hold it in your hands... chunky rhythm sound and really fast neck for the size... all at a great price!

TomAwesome · 05-14-2007, 11:31 PM

If you're just tuning down to C or maybe B, the scale length really shouldn't be of much concern to you unless you like to use really thin strings. I tune to C/Drop-Bb on a 25.5" scale on a medium 7 set, and the strings are very tight. Also, Grover tuners are actually pretty good. I like the Grovers on my $200 acoustic more than I like the Gotohs on my Ibbies.

djpharoah · 05-14-2007, 11:55 PM

Btw -have found that in general guitars with properly set up trems tend to have lower action than tonepro bridges.

Adamh1331 · 05-15-2007, 12:05 AM

I can set up my trems to make the action pretty damn low,low enough to where its not really playable and i have them set up for A standard so drop c should be no problem...

skinhead · 05-15-2007, 12:23 AM

I think that SC it's a nice election, i imagine that the rythm on that guitar it's killer!

Naren · 05-15-2007, 01:17 AM

I'd go with either the RG1527 or the Hellraiser.

And isn't the MM1 a baritone sixstring?

zimbloth · 05-15-2007, 01:21 AM

I've owned all of those 7s, and played the MMM1, and the ESP SC607B by far is of the highest quality IMO. The neck, fretwork, setup, etc is flawless. It sounds great and has top notch hardware and electronics as well. Easy choice for me.

Sebastian · 05-15-2007, 01:34 AM

Hellraiser

05-14-2007, 10:28 PM	#1
DeL07 SS.org Sushi Whore Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The Province of the Poutine tabarnaque! (Montreal....) Posts: 346 Real Name: Louis-Simon Main Seven: Gibson SG Menace Rig: Randall RG75 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Help me pick a new guitar!!! (Rythm Player) Alright, so I'm finishing up high-school and my parents are probably gonna give me a whop of cash as a graduation present... So I thought I'd put that money to good use and get what I need once and for all! I'm getting the Zoom G9 pedal and a Radial Tonebone HotBritish OD... Now I'm just torn apart at the guitar part... Bear in mind, I'm a rythm player and so I don't need a paperthin neck to shred fucking all over the place... I'm looking for a really fat and thick saturated distortion with a good amount of treble and I'll be tuning in C and possibly dropping the B cord... A good example of the sound I'm looking for is System of a Down - Steal this Album So far here's what I've got... Schecter C7 Hellraiser: Pros: Amazing looks, nice and big comfy neck for rythm playing, loaded with EMGs for that big raw chunky high-gain sound, string-thru-body stability and 26.5 scale for my C tuning Cons: Compression and sterility of EMGs, first time use of EMGs, Korean guitar, half-assed cleans(?), cheap grover tuners... Schecter C7 Blackjack: Pros: Pretty much the same as Hellraiser, Coil-Splitting, better cleans Cons: Less rawness and chunkyness, farty '59 (kinda), boring black, 1 less tone knob, cheap grover tuners, maple neck ESP LTD SC-607B: Pros: Full Baritone length, flatter neck, EMG 81-7 Set, Reverse HS (I'm a sucker for these!), Schaller Locking tuners.... Cons: Mid pup apparently kinda useless, not full mahogany, much pricier than the others, same worries about EMGs... Ibanez RG1527 Pros: Absolutely Amazing quality and craftsmanship, Great Trem, Coil-Splitting, amazing neck, neutral and clean sounding wood Cons: Gay color, trem might pose problems for C tuning, regular 25.5 scale, High action because of trem, mediocre pickups, never had much experience with basswood might not be best for big fat rythm, maple neck... Ibanez MMM1 (would mod it with APC pups) Pros: Absolutely gorgeous guitar, full baritone scale 28'', great hardware, crazy chukyness and low-end, amazing note definition, retarded sustain... Cons: Bridge is great but dosen't go super low, stocks pups are on the muddy side with heavy gain, easily scratchable... Biggest flaw... 6 strings... Up the shut fuck, you must.

05-14-2007, 10:38 PM	#2
thedownside ss.org Regular Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Moncton, NB, Canada Posts: 938 Main Seven: ESP Baritone 6'er Rig: Murder Weapon > MESA Thanked: 20	only thing i can really comment on is the sc-607b and it's pickup placement. only having had my 207 for a few days, i've already found allot of uses for the middle. it might not be a 'typical' pickup and placement, but i've gotten some nice tones out of it, both semi-gritty and fully distorted. only problem is it might get in the way of your picking. i've dropped it a bit, and it's still allot to get used to. http://www.beforethefallen.com

05-14-2007, 11:31 PM	#4
TomAwesome I LIKE JUICE!!! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 5,013 Real Name: Tom Main Seven: Ibanez RG 7421 Rig: POD X3L & poweramp Thanked: 20	If you're just tuning down to C or maybe B, the scale length really shouldn't be of much concern to you unless you like to use really thin strings. I tune to C/Drop-Bb on a 25.5" scale on a medium 7 set, and the strings are very tight. Also, Grover tuners are actually pretty good. I like the Grovers on my $200 acoustic more than I like the Gotohs on my Ibbies. "Tom, you're like 1 part a serious dork, and 2 parts the most awesome fucking guy ever." - guitargeek.com style rig diagram Pics of my gear Virtual studio tech testing ground Last.FM

05-15-2007, 12:23 AM	#7
skinhead Manager / RHLC © Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 5,439 Real Name: Frank Main Seven: Ibanez Universe MC Main ERG: Soon Skin custom RG8 Rig: VENu Twin/Carvin2x12 Thanked: 43	I think that SC it's a nice election, i imagine that the rythm on that guitar it's killer! WTB Phonic Helix 24 mixer board Fuck US shipping only

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View Poll Results: Which guitar would you pick?
Schecter C7 Hellraiser	12	25.53%
Schecter C7 Blackjack	7	14.89%
ESP LTD SC-607B	15	31.91%
Ibanez RG1527	11	23.40%
Ibanez MMM1	2	4.26%
Voters: 47. You may not vote on this poll

05-14-2007, 10:48 PM	#3
Unknown Doodl3.2 look at each other.. Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Montreal Posts: 2,271 Real Name: Claude Rig: Mark III -> Vader Thanked: 21 $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Unknown Doodl3.2 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$	Salut!!! Je voie que toi aussi tu vien du royaume de la poutine! lol Check out the hellraiser dude, I played one recently and you pretty much forget its korean as soon as you hold it in your hands... chunky rhythm sound and really fast neck for the size... all at a great price!

05-14-2007, 11:55 PM	#5
djpharoah Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 4,967 Real Name: Mesh Thanked: 197	Btw -have found that in general guitars with properly set up trems tend to have lower action than tonepro bridges.

05-15-2007, 12:05 AM	#6
Adamh1331 Damn Ginger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Good ol' Tennessee! Posts: 595 Real Name: Adam Main Seven: K7 Rig: 6505+ -> Mesa Cab Thanked: 8	I can set up my trems to make the action pretty damn low,low enough to where its not really playable and i have them set up for A standard so drop c should be no problem...

05-15-2007, 01:17 AM	#8
Naren OldschoolGhettostyle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Tokyo Posts: 12,393 Real Name: Eric Main Seven: RG1527-GK Main ERG: RG7EXFX2-IPT Rig: GNX3000 Thanked: 42	I'd go with either the RG1527 or the Hellraiser. And isn't the MM1 a baritone sixstring?

05-15-2007, 01:21 AM	#9
zimbloth Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 11,511 Real Name: Nick Main Seven: Rico Jr Customs Main ERG: Ibanez 8 Rig: VHT Pittbull UL Thanked: 72	I've owned all of those 7s, and played the MMM1, and the ESP SC607B by far is of the highest quality IMO. The neck, fretwork, setup, etc is flawless. It sounds great and has top notch hardware and electronics as well. Easy choice for me.

05-15-2007, 01:34 AM	#10
Sebastian ss.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cracow, Poland Posts: 3,384 Real Name: Sebastian Thanked: 38	Hellraiser

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