[Drew]

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

thats why i love having a 27.5 inch scale. such better tuning stability.

FWIW, Ibanez's XL scale is 27", and NOT 27.5".

[Heavy Ed]

I had a hard time tuning my M207 to A. The .066 gauge string barely fit the hole on the tuning peg, good luck with an .080 or .090!

[ohio_eric]

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

^ Untrue, from 5+ years experience, mon frere.

I've had success at F with a .059 (although the Elixir .068 is the best). I've tried heavier, and haven't liked the tone as well. Plus, I have no issues with "instability" OR intonation. I still think 27" scale is probably damn near perfect for F, at least for me, but 25.5 works very well.

This is said not to be contrary, but just to shed some light on it from a guy with lots and lots of experience with the whole shebang.

That's why I waited for you to show up snookums.

[The Dark Wolf]

You know me only too well.

I do tune to A standard, occasionally, and while it's nice, I honestly just really, really prefer drop F, from a tonal, playing, and feel perspective. It can and does work, but I am playing through very nice equipment, and I'm sure that's a factor.

[skinhead]

I for F# tuning use 0.75 and for the rest a 0.13. The 0.75 enter on the tunin peg.

[Drew]

I've gone as low as E with the same guages Bob uses, and while it's perfectly playable, the feel's just looser than I prefer.

The overexaggerated vibrato on single-note riffs, however, IS pretty damned cool.

[Nik]

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

^ Untrue, from 5+ years experience, mon frere.

I've had success at F with a .059 (although the Elixir .068 is the best). I've tried heavier, and haven't liked the tone as well. Plus, I have no issues with "instability" OR intonation. I still think 27" scale is probably damn near perfect for F, at least for me, but 25.5 works very well.

This is said not to be contrary, but just to shed some light on it from a guy with lots and lots of experience with the whole shebang.

Yeah, but not everyone likes spaghetti strings

I'm sure you know what you're talking about, I'm just in a dickish mood today, sorry Let me rephrase what I said: You can get it to work fine, but if you like tight strings, you'll have to get a gargantuan string gauge.

I tuned my .59 to F# for that Orchestral song a while back, and while I didn't bother checking intonation since I was only using the low open-string F#, but it was waaay too lose for me. When a string is this loose, it has the nasty habit of pitch going up and then gradually falling down to correct pitch over the period of several seconds. I'm really curious Bob, have you managed to overcome this somehow, or do you just deal with it? I could use some advice since I plan on experimenting with such tunings later on.

[The Dark Wolf]

Nik.

I get ya. I think for me, it's a couple of things. *Wise old fucker mode*

1. I find Elixir Nanowebs to be about the most firm, tight, and articulate strings out there. Really. They give a smoothness to feel, but hold tuning and articulate individual notes better than any string I've ever played. There's lots of crispness, and tons of initial attack, without sounding 'cold' or sterile. I think those matter a lot, to avoid issues like intonation, muddiness, or "warbling' like you mentioned.

2. Part of it is technique, I suppose. I've learned the feel of the strings, and how to attack them. But in all honestly, an Elixir .068, at F, is remarkably strong, firm, and stable. Doesn't feel loose or 'spaghetti'-like at all. I wish I could let you play my 2027 and see for yourself. For years, I was actually always like, "Should I be tuning so low? Everyone says it shouldn't work with this setup." And yet, every time I played my guitar, it sounded and felt terrific.

I think it has to be experienced to really get it. I actually prefer the feel and sound of my guitar tuned to F, as opposed to A (whereas, I like my backup Squier 7, which uses different strings, tuned to A).

[GH0STrider]

Originally Posted by Drew

FWIW, Ibanez's XL scale is 27", and NOT 27.5".

oops. I was thinking 25.5- duh. thanks for the correction drew.

[ubarhax]

Thanks guys..

and what is djent? I know it has to do with Bulb.