tuning a baritone

oYx · 07-02-2005, 03:19 PM

i managed to tune a 7-string of 25.5" scale to standard E and the guitar ended up with 2 extra springs for a total of 5, and the floating bridge is so stiff that i could only do a slight vibrato with it. the bridge is parallel to the body though.

now, i have a 7-string of 27" scale, and i believe it came tuned to A. how do i tune it to standard E without getting a stiff floating bridge? i am unsure about the string gauge that came stock though.

likewise, any suggestions for the 25.5" scale guitar will be great as well.

Mind Riot · 07-02-2005, 03:29 PM

Lighter strings.

oYx · 07-02-2005, 03:31 PM

any recommendation for the strings? i believe the 25.5" one is using 10-56 now. again, as for the 27" one, no idea what's the gauge now.

Shannon · 07-02-2005, 04:05 PM

Why are you using 5 springs? That's a major contributor to the stiffness.
Try setting both guitars up with a 10-56 string set & with 3 springs. With 3 springs, tighten the spring claw down a few turns. If that doesn't do it for you, try 4 springs and back the spring claw off a touch. This should get you in the ball park.

oYx · 07-02-2005, 05:38 PM

i tried just using 4, and tightened the claw down to the max, and the bridge was still leaning towards the strings - so i added 1 more spring. i'll try new springs on the 25.5" guitar soon.

as for the 27", i'll probably try 9-54 with 3 new springs. i think the springs are just stretched too much while it was hanging in the store.

Metal Ken · 07-02-2005, 07:24 PM

get some 48mm springs instead of the 52/4 mm springs.

Digital Black · 07-03-2005, 12:38 AM

Yeah thicker/stronger springs will enable you to use less of them..

Dylan7620 · 07-03-2005, 12:44 AM

im assuming u are using an edge 7, and if you are its not supposed to be flat with the body it supposed to lean up a bit.

oYx · 07-03-2005, 02:41 AM

i realised i've been saying standard E, while i should be saying standard B.

yup, it's a 2077. i am aligning it using the base of the trem, so i can tell that it is leaning too much. it's not as easy to see if the knife edge is perpendicular to the post, due to the curved side.

another curious thought: wouldn't using less, but shorter, springs give the same amount of tension to balance out with the strings (standard B)? if so, wouldn't the bridge be as stiff?

Metal Ken · 07-03-2005, 02:57 AM

not necessarily. Cause you're still pulling against fewer pieces of metal.

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07-02-2005, 03:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
oYx ss.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 20 Thanked: 0	tuning a baritone i managed to tune a 7-string of 25.5" scale to standard E and the guitar ended up with 2 extra springs for a total of 5, and the floating bridge is so stiff that i could only do a slight vibrato with it. the bridge is parallel to the body though. now, i have a 7-string of 27" scale, and i believe it came tuned to A. how do i tune it to standard E without getting a stiff floating bridge? i am unsure about the string gauge that came stock though. likewise, any suggestions for the 25.5" scale guitar will be great as well.

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07-02-2005, 03:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mind Riot Devoted seven stringer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 694 Thanked: 2	Lighter strings.

07-02-2005, 03:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
oYx ss.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 20 Thanked: 0	any recommendation for the strings? i believe the 25.5" one is using 10-56 now. again, as for the 27" one, no idea what's the gauge now.

07-02-2005, 05:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
oYx ss.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 20 Thanked: 0	i tried just using 4, and tightened the claw down to the max, and the bridge was still leaning towards the strings - so i added 1 more spring. i'll try new springs on the 25.5" guitar soon. as for the 27", i'll probably try 9-54 with 3 new springs. i think the springs are just stretched too much while it was hanging in the store.

07-03-2005, 12:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
Dylan7620 50w of fury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Snohomish WA Posts: 1,687 Real Name: Dil Rye Master Main Seven: RG7620GN & S7420FMTT Rig: Mesa DC-5 Thanked: 0	im assuming u are using an edge 7, and if you are its not supposed to be flat with the body it supposed to lean up a bit. "are there gonna be snacks? i heard there were gonna be snacks."

07-03-2005, 02:41 AM	#9 (permalink)
oYx ss.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 20 Thanked: 0	i realised i've been saying standard E, while i should be saying standard B. yup, it's a 2077. i am aligning it using the base of the trem, so i can tell that it is leaning too much. it's not as easy to see if the knife edge is perpendicular to the post, due to the curved side. another curious thought: wouldn't using less, but shorter, springs give the same amount of tension to balance out with the strings (standard B)? if so, wouldn't the bridge be as stiff?

07-03-2005, 02:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
Metal Ken Sanctity In Blasphemous Ruin • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 22,352 Real Name: Legion Main Seven: Loomis, C7HR, Giannini 7 Rig: Mesa Rectoverb 50 Thanked: 83	not necessarily. Cause you're still pulling against fewer pieces of metal.

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