NGD! Not quite an average 7 string.

scherzo1928 · 10-17-2011, 12:34 AM

Well, as promised a week ago, my 3rd build is finished!

I know you didn't follow the build, but here it is:
Make this stop!!

SPECS!

# of strings: 7... 7 Nylon strings
Scale length: Multiscale, 636mm-666mm, which is close (ish) to 25"-26.25
neck: 7 piece flamed maple/walnut neckthrough... no trussrod, 15°Headstock angle
Body wood: mahogany wings
Top wood: Flamed maple
Fingerboard: Pau ferro
FB radius: 20"
# of frets: 23... because I felt like 23 + zero fret
Bridge: Rosewood bridge with graphtech ghost saddles
electronics: graphtech acoustiphonic preamp, 1 volume.
Binding: Natural binding
nut: honeybadger claw
Hella chambered

I apologize for the pics, they are horrible, but I finished it quite late, and there is no decent lightning. I'll upload better ones tomorrow (late today actually since it's monday already)

PICS!

First of all, the guitar isn't exactly finished. I still need to do some things, but I put it all together for testing. I still need to make a control cavity cover, and a nut, as well as some cosmetic things. The strings are being kept in place just by the correct placement of the tuners, which make the strings keep straight after the nut.

I have a hard time explaining this guitar to friends who came by and saw it being built. "Yeah, it's a 7 string solid body but chambered fan fretted nylon string guitar". Do I care that it's hard to explain? Nope, soon as I plugged it in I knew all the effort had payed off.

The good:
1.- The fanned frets! I'm sold, multiscale instruments is where it's at. It's som comfortable to play that I'm not making or buying a 25.5" (I'm also loving the 27.5" atm) scale axe ever again, unless it's something extremely special.

2.- The idea works! This came to be as an excercise and an experiment. I mean, I could have just built a normal guitar, but NOOOO. I had to build a chambered, trussrodless neckthrough for nylon strings, using saddles and tuners made for steel strings.

3.- Graphtech saddles and preamp. They sound perfect. I need to add a splash of reverb, but other than that, no EQ, or effects are needed. They ley through the actual sound of the guitar very well. They even overdrive nicely. It sounds very very crisp, but never harsh, and the high strings have a very pleasant sweetness to them, which I imagine is partly due to the smaller scale.
4.- The neck! It's as thick as possible, and I absolutely love it. 25.5mm at the first fret and 26mm at the 12th, with a very flat back.

The bad:

One of the ghost saddles (low E) isn't working. Seems like I will need a replacement.

The flamed maple I bought for the top... Holy crap did it cause me trouble. The figure is very inconsistent, and it has some strange staining. It was also cut by monkeys, and was warped when I received it... Never buying from that guy again.

And that's about it. I'm just getting to know this guitar, but I already know it's going to be hard putting it down for quite a while. It's just ridiculosly fun to mess with.

Grand Moff Tim · 10-17-2011, 01:02 AM

Holy shit, dude. That's fantastic, and... dare I say... marketable?

Stealthdjentstic · 10-17-2011, 01:46 AM

I think the stain looks great

Churchie777 · 10-17-2011, 03:13 AM

That is a crazy mixture! the finish is beautiful in the right light, Good work

caskettheclown · 10-17-2011, 03:19 AM

Mass produce it NAO cause I want one

Thats very original, i'd never get rid of it. It looks beautiful. How does it sound though?

rythmic_pulses · 10-17-2011, 03:23 AM

Scherzo you really need to get these things on the market, you have some real skill, I have seen the other 2 guitars you made and they are fantastic, I am guessing this one is like a solidish bodied, nylon stringed, electro acoustic? if that makes sense.

JPMike · 10-17-2011, 04:23 AM

Actually, that top is magnificent!!

scherzo1928 · 10-17-2011, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grand Moff Tim

Holy shit, dude. That's fantastic, and... dare I say... marketable?

Thanks man. Don't know if I'm up for selling these. I build stuff for fun, and I think the design needs a bit of tweeking still. I might experiment with other construction methods and shapes for this concept though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealthtastic

I think the stain looks great

Wooo, glad you don't think it looks like ass.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Churchie777

That is a crazy mixture! the finish is beautiful in the right light, Good work

It most certainly is. Can't say I've ever seen something similar.

Quote:

Originally Posted by caskettheclown

Mass produce it NAO cause I want one

Thats very original, i'd never get rid of it. It looks beautiful. How does it sound though?

Sounds pretty damn good. Like I said, add a bit of reverb, and it's great! And no, I'm never getting rid of it, however I might rebuild it in some other way... maybe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rythmic_pulses

Scherzo you really need to get these things on the market, you have some real skill, I have seen the other 2 guitars you made and they are fantastic, I am guessing this one is like a solidish bodied, nylon stringed, electro acoustic? if that makes sense.

Thanks man, I love those 2 other axes to death. I might be making 1 or 2 for a friend and for a teacher, but other than that, nope. And yep, it's a solidbody, but it's chambered... like this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPMike

Actually, that top is magnificent!!

Glad someone liked it, because I'm still undecided about it.

ShadyDavey · 10-17-2011, 08:31 AM

Stunning.

Absolutely staggering work - my favourite nylon string to date

IB-studjent- · 10-17-2011, 08:32 AM

honeybadger claw is win

myampslouder · 10-17-2011, 08:35 AM

Incredible guitar. Followed the build thread religiously because I thought it was such a cool idea. Turned out amazing.

Swyse · 10-17-2011, 12:32 PM

I've always wondered with fanned frets, if you bend a string does it sound weird on certain frets because of the angle as the fret goes, like does the pitch not rise because the fret is moving "backwards"? Anywho, It is a fascinating concept. Definitely want to see more pics. I think the finish turned out amazing, but I'm 2000 miles away and its kind of hard to tell from here.

SilenceIsACrime · 10-17-2011, 12:54 PM

Firstly - I think the finish looks damn cool! It almost looks like there is a silhouette of an acoustic guitar.... as though one is trying to escape!

Second - really awesome concept and amazing construction. Want video clips!

beneharris · 10-17-2011, 01:11 PM

i agree, you've got some fantastic skill at this. it looks great.

i wouldn't even have noticed there was something wrong with the top unless you had said something; i think it looks really great

TimSE · 10-17-2011, 01:15 PM

That guitar isnt "me" at all ... Its awesome!

leonardo7 · 10-17-2011, 01:18 PM

That thing is ridiculous awesome

rythmic_pulses · 10-17-2011, 01:21 PM

I have never seen anything like this before!

Dude this is some new stuff to me, looks like an alien hive!
did you string it with all nylon strings or just the thinnest of them?

scherzo1928 · 10-17-2011, 02:26 PM

A few mor pics!!

Groupshot of my 3 builds:

JamesM · 10-17-2011, 02:28 PM

Clips. Of all the guitars. Video. Nao.

orakle · 10-17-2011, 02:37 PM

damn that's innovative

scherzo1928 · 10-17-2011, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadyDavey

Stunning.

Absolutely staggering work - my favourite nylon string to date

Thanks man. Mine continues being my grand dad's BRW guitar that I'm still hunting down. This is definately 2nd after that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IB-studjent-

honeybadger claw is win

obviously it's not a honeybadger claw, but I find it funny. It actually has no nut atm, and it will probably have to wait a while, until I finish my exams.

Quote:

Originally Posted by myampslouder

Incredible guitar. Followed the build thread religiously because I thought it was such a cool idea. Turned out amazing.

Thanks dude. I won't lie, it was a challenging build, and I had a lot of fun in the process.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swyse

I've always wondered with fanned frets, if you bend a string does it sound weird on certain frets because of the angle as the fret goes, like does the pitch not rise because the fret is moving "backwards"? Anywho, It is a fascinating concept. Definitely want to see more pics. I think the finish turned out amazing, but I'm 2000 miles away and its kind of hard to tell from here.

Can't really comment on the pitch when bending part, since you really don't bend nylon strings... Glad you liked the axe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilenceIsACrime

Firstly - I think the finish looks damn cool! It almost looks like there is a silhouette of an acoustic guitar.... as though one is trying to escape!

Second - really awesome concept and amazing construction. Want video clips!

Thanks a ton! Clips shall wait though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by beneharris

i agree, you've got some fantastic skill at this. it looks great.

i wouldn't even have noticed there was something wrong with the top unless you had said something; i think it looks really great

I'm starting to like the top better. It's certainly different enough for a different enough guitar.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimSE

That guitar isnt "me" at all ... Its awesome!

You know, this is the second axe I've built because of one of your threads. I'm not opening your threads anymore.

Quote:

Originally Posted by leonardo7

That thing is ridiculous awesome

Quote:

Originally Posted by rythmic_pulses

I have never seen anything like this before!

Dude this is some new stuff to me, looks like an alien hive!
did you string it with all nylon strings or just the thinnest of them?

It certainly looks strange. Notes about the chambering: There are more, and smaller chambers on the treble side thatn on the bass side, and they are all in a 1.61803 proportion within each chamber, and in relation to the next chamber. Does that have an effect? can't honestly say.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Armada

Clips. Of all the guitars. Video. Nao.

Sorry to dissapoint, but a video will have to wait for several reasons. I need to make a nut. I need to replace the low E string saddle. Action is not setup yet (just look at string height in the last pic), and finally, I'm about to start exams.

Doesn't mean It's not getting any play time though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by orakle

damn that's innovative

It's pretty different, that's for sure.

BlackMastodon · 10-17-2011, 04:47 PM

Honey badger claw!

But even with that monkey cut top, it still looks damn good. I'm uber jealous now, shame about that ghost saddle though.

JamesM · 10-17-2011, 05:46 PM

Send it my way Scherzo, I'll show it some lovin.

You're about to start exams? What exactly does that mean down there? I have AT LEAST one exam every week, usually two, sometimes four, between here and December. Do you mean like final exams? If so, how are your semesters divided?

SirMyghin · 10-17-2011, 05:51 PM

looks good dude, but why no truss rod? That is a recipe for disaster.

Grand Moff Tim · 10-17-2011, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirMyghin

looks good dude, but why no truss rod? That is a recipe for disaster.

Do nylon string classicals ever have truss rods? I know mine doesn't.

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10-17-2011, 12:34 AM	#1
scherzo1928 has wood for you Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,691 Thanked: 33 $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ Feedback Score: 0 reviews	NGD! Not quite an average 7 string. Well, as promised a week ago, my 3rd build is finished! I know you didn't follow the build, but here it is: Make this stop!! SPECS! # of strings: 7... 7 Nylon strings Scale length: Multiscale, 636mm-666mm, which is close (ish) to 25"-26.25 neck: 7 piece flamed maple/walnut neckthrough... no trussrod, 15°Headstock angle Body wood: mahogany wings Top wood: Flamed maple Fingerboard: Pau ferro FB radius: 20" # of frets: 23... because I felt like 23 + zero fret Bridge: Rosewood bridge with graphtech ghost saddles electronics: graphtech acoustiphonic preamp, 1 volume. Binding: Natural binding nut: honeybadger claw Hella chambered I apologize for the pics, they are horrible, but I finished it quite late, and there is no decent lightning. I'll upload better ones tomorrow (late today actually since it's monday already) PICS! First of all, the guitar isn't exactly finished. I still need to do some things, but I put it all together for testing. I still need to make a control cavity cover, and a nut, as well as some cosmetic things. The strings are being kept in place just by the correct placement of the tuners, which make the strings keep straight after the nut. I have a hard time explaining this guitar to friends who came by and saw it being built. "Yeah, it's a 7 string solid body but chambered fan fretted nylon string guitar". Do I care that it's hard to explain? Nope, soon as I plugged it in I knew all the effort had payed off. The good: 1.- The fanned frets! I'm sold, multiscale instruments is where it's at. It's som comfortable to play that I'm not making or buying a 25.5" (I'm also loving the 27.5" atm) scale axe ever again, unless it's something extremely special. 2.- The idea works! This came to be as an excercise and an experiment. I mean, I could have just built a normal guitar, but NOOOO. I had to build a chambered, trussrodless neckthrough for nylon strings, using saddles and tuners made for steel strings. 3.- Graphtech saddles and preamp. They sound perfect. I need to add a splash of reverb, but other than that, no EQ, or effects are needed. They ley through the actual sound of the guitar very well. They even overdrive nicely. It sounds very very crisp, but never harsh, and the high strings have a very pleasant sweetness to them, which I imagine is partly due to the smaller scale. 4.- The neck! It's as thick as possible, and I absolutely love it. 25.5mm at the first fret and 26mm at the 12th, with a very flat back. The bad: One of the ghost saddles (low E) isn't working. Seems like I will need a replacement. The flamed maple I bought for the top... Holy crap did it cause me trouble. The figure is very inconsistent, and it has some strange staining. It was also cut by monkeys, and was warped when I received it... Never buying from that guy again. And that's about it. I'm just getting to know this guitar, but I already know it's going to be hard putting it down for quite a while. It's just ridiculosly fun to mess with. shadscbr, TJV, Santuzzo and 15 others like this. Is this... guitar?

10-17-2011, 01:02 AM	#2
Grand Moff Tim Some call me... Tim Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Cheongju, SK Posts: 3,585 Thanked: 63 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Holy shit, dude. That's fantastic, and... dare I say... marketable? "We must not indulge in unfavorable views of mankind, since by doing it we make bad men believe they are no worse than others, and we teach the good that they are good in vain." - Walter Winchell "There is no hole in your life small enough to be filled in by Youtube praise." - Chris Bucholz "It is important to be a Jedi." - Mika

10-17-2011, 01:46 AM	#3
Stealthdjentstic Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canadia Posts: 19,984 Thanked: 338 Feedback Score: 10 reviews	I think the stain looks great beneharris, scherzo1928 and otisct20 like this.

10-17-2011, 03:13 AM	#4
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10-17-2011, 03:19 AM	#5
caskettheclown Sevenstring GAS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: odenville alabama Posts: 1,271 Thanked: 11 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Mass produce it NAO cause I want one Thats very original, i'd never get rid of it. It looks beautiful. How does it sound though?

10-17-2011, 03:23 AM	#6
rythmic_pulses Schmuck Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: U.K Posts: 422 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Scherzo you really need to get these things on the market, you have some real skill, I have seen the other 2 guitars you made and they are fantastic, I am guessing this one is like a solidish bodied, nylon stringed, electro acoustic? if that makes sense. Problem Trolls? Sex bro. Sex. -ntDars Stop hatin'. Love and Toleration. - Biison the higgs boson is the energy that creates mass to create protons and tacos basically. - bob123 SOL NIGER WITHIN!!! - Iamasingularity ODDWORLD FOR LIFE!

10-17-2011, 04:23 AM	#7
JPMike Totally Random Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 1,955 Thanked: 37 Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Actually, that top is magnificent!!

10-17-2011, 08:31 AM	#9
ShadyDavey 7ibrarian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Peterborough, UK Posts: 6,574 Thanked: 104 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Stunning. Absolutely staggering work - my favourite nylon string to date While raping a bear in Yellowstone and snorting coke out of a freshly-dead baby's skull, I finally felt that I had found my calling and built a time machine out of Iraqi WMDs and LOTS OF HEMP WHOA. Using this time machine I went back in time and shot JFK from outer ....ing space. I am now your god - Jeff .....and then all of a sudden he drops the musical equivilant of a steaming turd right in our laps - ESP Griffyn

10-17-2011, 08:32 AM	#10
IB-studjent- ss.org Regular Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 656 Thanked: 26 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	honeybadger claw is win scherzo1928 and BlackMastodon like this. -Vik duality 8 fanned fret- -Vik DCA baritone 6 string- This just in: Apologies to the other Abasi fanbois out there....I have just recently - yesterday actually - moved to a new favorite guitarist. stated a relavent member of the music community.

10-17-2011, 08:35 AM	#11
myampslouder SS.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 1,110 Thanked: 32 Feedback Score: 18 reviews	Incredible guitar. Followed the build thread religiously because I thought it was such a cool idea. Turned out amazing.

10-17-2011, 12:32 PM	#12
Swyse Swyse Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: N IL Posts: 1,421 Thanked: 18 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	I've always wondered with fanned frets, if you bend a string does it sound weird on certain frets because of the angle as the fret goes, like does the pitch not rise because the fret is moving "backwards"? Anywho, It is a fascinating concept. Definitely want to see more pics. I think the finish turned out amazing, but I'm 2000 miles away and its kind of hard to tell from here.

10-17-2011, 12:54 PM	#13
SilenceIsACrime Indeed. Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 722 Thanked: 28 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Firstly - I think the finish looks damn cool! It almost looks like there is a silhouette of an acoustic guitar.... as though one is trying to escape! Second - really awesome concept and amazing construction. Want video clips! "Whether it's Rogaine, your 'stache or magic, this guitar needs a friggin beard now." - BangandBreach Is it a right to remain ignorant? I don't know, but I refuse to find out!

10-17-2011, 01:11 PM	#14
beneharris SS.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Flagstaff Posts: 1,607 Thanked: 21 Feedback Score: 13 reviews	i agree, you've got some fantastic skill at this. it looks great. i wouldn't even have noticed there was something wrong with the top unless you had said something; i think it looks really great

10-17-2011, 01:15 PM	#15
TimSE SS Contributor Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 4,162 Thanked: 140 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	That guitar isnt "me" at all ... Its awesome! www.facebook.com/tempusfusionband http://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/to-...ll/id507292058

10-17-2011, 01:18 PM	#16
leonardo7 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 3,435 Thanked: 108 Feedback Score: 20 reviews	That thing is ridiculous awesome

10-17-2011, 01:21 PM	#17
rythmic_pulses Schmuck Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: U.K Posts: 422 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have never seen anything like this before! Dude this is some new stuff to me, looks like an alien hive! did you string it with all nylon strings or just the thinnest of them? Problem Trolls? Sex bro. Sex. -ntDars Stop hatin'. Love and Toleration. - Biison the higgs boson is the energy that creates mass to create protons and tacos basically. - bob123 SOL NIGER WITHIN!!! - Iamasingularity ODDWORLD FOR LIFE!

10-17-2011, 02:26 PM	#18
scherzo1928 has wood for you Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,691 Thanked: 33 $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $scherzo1928 is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ Feedback Score: 0 reviews	A few mor pics!! Groupshot of my 3 builds: HighGain510, s_k_mullins, Superwoodle and 3 others like this. Is this... guitar?

10-17-2011, 02:28 PM	#19
JamesM The Armada Join Date: May 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 6,929 Thanked: 86 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Clips. Of all the guitars. Video. Nao. scherzo1928, GuitaristOfHell and celticelk like this. Cloudyhead. Facebook//Twitter//Bandcamp Watch:1,2,3,4,5 Debut Album, Abstraction out now!

10-17-2011, 02:37 PM	#20
orakle djentleman Join Date: May 2011 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 699 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	damn that's innovative

10-17-2011, 04:47 PM	#22
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10-17-2011, 05:46 PM	#23
JamesM The Armada Join Date: May 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 6,929 Thanked: 86 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Send it my way Scherzo, I'll show it some lovin. You're about to start exams? What exactly does that mean down there? I have AT LEAST one exam every week, usually two, sometimes four, between here and December. Do you mean like final exams? If so, how are your semesters divided? Cloudyhead. Facebook//Twitter//Bandcamp Watch:1,2,3,4,5 Debut Album, Abstraction out now!

10-17-2011, 05:51 PM	#24
SirMyghin The Dirt Guy Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Anywhere but here. Posts: 7,163 Thanked: 41 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	looks good dude, but why no truss rod? That is a recipe for disaster. Guitar techs are for sissies. Learn some damn music theory, don't complain, and you'll be a better person. -Schecterwhore Show me a truly awesome guitar for under $1000 and I'll show you hateful lies.

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