NGD Douglas Scope 727

masterdebradwic · 03-17-2011, 08:12 AM

My Douglas Scope 727 arrived yesterday! It's a badass guitar man. I love this thing. The 27 inch scale is pretty sweet. I find that it tightens up my playing a lot and It sounds heavier. I accidentally popped a string after the nut setting it up, but hey it happens lol. Anyways, here's the pics and I'll have a video either today or tomorrow testing this thing out. The figured top on this guitar is incredible. Sort of reminds me of an evh musicman type top idk.

JamesM · 03-17-2011, 08:13 AM

Do yourself a favor and block that trem early.

CooleyJr · 03-17-2011, 08:28 AM

Yeah. What Mr. Armada said. You CAN use it for maybe a month but the knife edges wear out quickly. LOVE that top though. Congrats dude

masterdebradwic · 03-17-2011, 09:41 AM

Thanks guys. I don't know about the trem tho. My other douglas does just fine and I've had it for a long time. Still flutters and everything

CooleyJr · 03-17-2011, 09:43 AM

If you use it constantly like I did it wouldn't last more than a couple months. Even the intonation went out because the trem moved forward because of the diminishing knife edges.

Not a hard fix though but it's easier just to block it so that doesn't happen and for more tuning stability. They really aren't bad trems when they're working.

Speculum Speculorum · 03-17-2011, 09:45 AM

Well, I'm not a trem man, so I have nothing to say about blocking it or not. But what I can say is that is a sick maple top. It's quite unique!

Philligan · 03-17-2011, 09:56 AM

Looks great, man.

I really want to try one of these.

adrock · 03-17-2011, 09:58 AM

damn that was fast!!! this is NOT helping my gas for one of these...

CooleyJr · 03-17-2011, 09:58 AM

I believe the top is ash.

But it is quite stunning!

masterdebradwic · 03-17-2011, 10:50 AM

The top is amazing dude. And it sounds unreal. Here's my video thread

Douglas Scope 727 again but with a video

GATA4 · 03-17-2011, 11:41 AM

Haha these things are getting so much love. nice score dude, the top really is nice.

Are you keeping the stock pickups in there?

masterdebradwic · 03-17-2011, 11:58 AM

Yea man love the guitar! The top is killer bro. As far as the stock pickups go I like 'em for now, but I've thought about for both my douglas 7's going the emg route. Just not sure I wanna do the whole battery thing again. So I might do passive emg's cuz I actually like 'em lol. Not sure tho. For now keeping them stock.

MetalGravy · 03-17-2011, 01:02 PM

If you decide to go with passive EMGs, I've got a pair of 707Bs that are looking for a good home.

Which wah are you using in that video?

Speculum Speculorum · 03-17-2011, 01:46 PM

Funny thing. I just went to Rondo Music and saw that the Douglas guitar was ash. Came on to correct myself, and there already were folks on it like a bonnet. That's a sick look, nonetheless.

Hemi-Powered Drone · 03-17-2011, 08:55 PM

That top!

GuitaristOfHell · 03-17-2011, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Armada

Do yourself a favor and block that trem early.

Block The trem?

I don't know shit about trems, but congrats on the new axe!

masterdebradwic · 03-21-2011, 11:09 AM

In otherwords, trems are set up on a balance of springs and your guitar strings. If it's floating which means you can pull up as well as push down on the bar then everytime you do a string bend the rest will go flat and if you pop a string then the rest will go sharp. Blocking a trem makes it so you can only push down on the bar and if you pop a string the rest won't go sharpt. And also, if knife edges are worn then everytime you pull up on the bar when it's floating then the trem would get stuck in a sharp position. I'm going to test my luck with the douglas trem tho because every douglas trem I've ever had is quite satisfactory in performance.

GuitaristOfHell · 03-21-2011, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masterdebradwic

In otherwords, trems are set up on a balance of springs and your guitar strings. If it's floating which means you can pull up as well as push down on the bar then everytime you do a string bend the rest will go flat and if you pop a string then the rest will go sharp. Blocking a trem makes it so you can only push down on the bar and if you pop a string the rest won't go sharpt. And also, if knife edges are worn then everytime you pull up on the bar when it's floating then the trem would get stuck in a sharp position. I'm going to test my luck with the douglas trem tho because every douglas trem I've ever had is quite satisfactory in performance.

Oh ok

Semi-pro · 03-21-2011, 03:14 PM

This thread just made me think about one thing; has anyone out there tried to harden (quench?

) the baseplate (or the kinfe edges if separate) of a licensed trem? Like just totally DIY style slowly heating it with one of these (don't know the english name):

And then cooling it down rather quickly by dipping it into water or sth? My dad has to build/invent some tools on his own in his work and he does it sometimes. This makes the metal harder, but also less flexible. One would think it'd help out with the knife edge problem? I almost feel like buying a cheap guitar just for trying it out

CooleyJr · 03-21-2011, 03:16 PM

^ Heat treating.

not sure if it would work for knife edges though.

MaxOfMetal · 03-21-2011, 03:19 PM

The flexibility that metal has keeps it from breaking, take the differences between a metal bar and concrete pillar for instance. If you harden the knife edges too much (if you can harden them at all) then they might shatter opposed to just going dull.

Qweklain · 03-21-2011, 06:36 PM

That top is killer! I imagine it is just a veneer though, correct? Not that it matters, I was just curious.

theclap · 03-21-2011, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qweklain

That top is killer! I imagine it is just a veneer though, correct? Not that it matters, I was just curious.

yup, mahogany atleast underneath.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Armada

Do yourself a favor and block that trem early.

I have not gotten around to doing this on mine but I highly reccomend it!
I have the original one, sr470, and i think i got lucky on mine because my ash top is book matched and on the website it says they are a 3 piece top, which is not very appealing to me so i'm very grateful I guess I got lucky? Definitely like the new tops theyve gone with. String dampening above the nut is CRUCIAL, good job. I just put 707x's in mine, ....in shreds. These guitars play so great it's unbelievable. I will say one thing. Though it'll stay in tune, I can't get my guitar to stay in the tuning I want it to be in, i have it tuned G# D# G# C# F# A# D# and it will only sit a few cents below A440. Annoying when with other guitars but bearable and fixable i guess. The trem depending on your string tensions will vary, pay close attention to how it acts with different gauges and adjust accordingly over time. I don't use trem either and let me tell you when I was using it, it doesnt really stay in tune. It's the little things that get to you about these Made in China gems, but everytime I pick this bitch up, I'm so glad i spent the $123 on Ebay to buy mine.

masterdebradwic · 03-22-2011, 07:57 AM

Dude! Post pics of yours with the 707's in it! Yea rondo can surprise ya sometimes with the quality of tops. Sometimes you'll get an amazing top that's just simply rediculous for the price! As far as the tuning issue yea I find that I'm a few cents below a440 as well, but for me it's no biggy. Even when you're playin with a band it's not rediculously noticable.

theclap · 03-23-2011, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masterdebradwic

Dude! Post pics of yours with the 707's in it! Yea rondo can surprise ya sometimes with the quality of tops. Sometimes you'll get an amazing top that's just simply rediculous for the price! As far as the tuning issue yea I find that I'm a few cents below a440 as well, but for me it's no biggy. Even when you're playin with a band it's not rediculously noticable.

oh god I DIY'd the pups it looks wretched. I hit the top coating in a few sections and am not perfect on the beveling out for the pup size difference. I definitely will put pics up once I get her looking 100% she is still missing the neck pup to be installed.

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03-17-2011, 08:12 AM	#1
masterdebradwic SS.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 114 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	NGD Douglas Scope 727 My Douglas Scope 727 arrived yesterday! It's a badass guitar man. I love this thing. The 27 inch scale is pretty sweet. I find that it tightens up my playing a lot and It sounds heavier. I accidentally popped a string after the nut setting it up, but hey it happens lol. Anyways, here's the pics and I'll have a video either today or tomorrow testing this thing out. The figured top on this guitar is incredible. Sort of reminds me of an evh musicman type top idk.

03-17-2011, 08:13 AM	#2
JamesM The Armada Join Date: May 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 6,925 Thanked: 86 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Do yourself a favor and block that trem early. CooleyJr, nostealbucket, Bigfan and 1 others like this. Cloudyhead. Facebook//Twitter//Bandcamp Watch:1,2,3,4,5 Debut Album, Abstraction out now!

03-17-2011, 09:56 AM	#7
Philligan The White-Knuckler Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sarnia, ON, Canada Posts: 4,337 Thanked: 44 Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Looks great, man. I really want to try one of these. "it blowed the emg's in the dirt" - De Vries "Richlite is to Paper Mache as Carbon Composite is to charcoal briquettes." - Max

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03-17-2011, 08:28 AM	#3
CooleyJr Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: East Arlington, VT Posts: 3,085 Thanked: 74 $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Yeah. What Mr. Armada said. You CAN use it for maybe a month but the knife edges wear out quickly. LOVE that top though. Congrats dude

03-17-2011, 09:41 AM	#4
masterdebradwic SS.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 114 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thanks guys. I don't know about the trem tho. My other douglas does just fine and I've had it for a long time. Still flutters and everything

03-17-2011, 09:43 AM	#5
CooleyJr Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: East Arlington, VT Posts: 3,085 Thanked: 74 $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ Feedback Score: 1 reviews	If you use it constantly like I did it wouldn't last more than a couple months. Even the intonation went out because the trem moved forward because of the diminishing knife edges. Not a hard fix though but it's easier just to block it so that doesn't happen and for more tuning stability. They really aren't bad trems when they're working.

03-17-2011, 09:45 AM	#6
Speculum Speculorum SS.org Regular Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 882 Thanked: 10 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well, I'm not a trem man, so I have nothing to say about blocking it or not. But what I can say is that is a sick maple top. It's quite unique!

03-17-2011, 09:58 AM	#8
adrock long ball larry! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: austin, tx Posts: 1,007 Thanked: 22 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	damn that was fast!!! this is NOT helping my gas for one of these...

03-17-2011, 09:58 AM	#9
CooleyJr Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: East Arlington, VT Posts: 3,085 Thanked: 74 $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I believe the top is ash. But it is quite stunning!

03-17-2011, 10:50 AM	#10
masterdebradwic SS.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 114 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The top is amazing dude. And it sounds unreal. Here's my video thread Douglas Scope 727 again but with a video

03-17-2011, 11:41 AM	#11
GATA4 Banned Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 1,385 Thanked: 31 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Haha these things are getting so much love. nice score dude, the top really is nice. Are you keeping the stock pickups in there?

03-17-2011, 11:58 AM	#12
masterdebradwic SS.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 114 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yea man love the guitar! The top is killer bro. As far as the stock pickups go I like 'em for now, but I've thought about for both my douglas 7's going the emg route. Just not sure I wanna do the whole battery thing again. So I might do passive emg's cuz I actually like 'em lol. Not sure tho. For now keeping them stock.

03-17-2011, 01:02 PM	#13
MetalGravy Making a meat suit Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Urbandale, IA Posts: 984 Thanked: 8 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	If you decide to go with passive EMGs, I've got a pair of 707Bs that are looking for a good home. Which wah are you using in that video?

03-17-2011, 01:46 PM	#14
Speculum Speculorum SS.org Regular Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 882 Thanked: 10 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Funny thing. I just went to Rondo Music and saw that the Douglas guitar was ash. Came on to correct myself, and there already were folks on it like a bonnet. That's a sick look, nonetheless.

03-21-2011, 11:09 AM	#17
masterdebradwic SS.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 114 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	In otherwords, trems are set up on a balance of springs and your guitar strings. If it's floating which means you can pull up as well as push down on the bar then everytime you do a string bend the rest will go flat and if you pop a string then the rest will go sharp. Blocking a trem makes it so you can only push down on the bar and if you pop a string the rest won't go sharpt. And also, if knife edges are worn then everytime you pull up on the bar when it's floating then the trem would get stuck in a sharp position. I'm going to test my luck with the douglas trem tho because every douglas trem I've ever had is quite satisfactory in performance.

03-21-2011, 03:14 PM	#19
Semi-pro axe/vox terrorizer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 296 Thanked: 4 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	This thread just made me think about one thing; has anyone out there tried to harden (quench? ) the baseplate (or the kinfe edges if separate) of a licensed trem? Like just totally DIY style slowly heating it with one of these (don't know the english name): And then cooling it down rather quickly by dipping it into water or sth? My dad has to build/invent some tools on his own in his work and he does it sometimes. This makes the metal harder, but also less flexible. One would think it'd help out with the knife edge problem? I almost feel like buying a cheap guitar just for trying it out M y w a y s o f e x p r e s s i n g t e h m e t a l s : http://www.myspace.com/dotma - symphonic, atmospheric, dynamic (gtr) http://www.tracedawn.com - turbocharged, modern, melodic (vox) / 3rd album "Lizard Dusk" out now! http://www.myspace.com/lithuria - brutal, in your face, fun (gtr, vox)

03-21-2011, 03:16 PM	#20
CooleyJr Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: East Arlington, VT Posts: 3,085 Thanked: 74 $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $CooleyJr is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ Feedback Score: 1 reviews	^ Heat treating. not sure if it would work for knife edges though.

03-21-2011, 03:19 PM	#21
MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. • Super Moderator • Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 21,250 Thanked: 91 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	The flexibility that metal has keeps it from breaking, take the differences between a metal bar and concrete pillar for instance. If you harden the knife edges too much (if you can harden them at all) then they might shatter opposed to just going dull. Need help with setting up a trem? Need info on your Ibby? Live in Milwaukee? Please feel free to message me. New Rules. Read Them.

03-21-2011, 06:36 PM	#22
Qweklain SS.org Regular Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Minnesota Posts: 446 Thanked: 2 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	That top is killer! I imagine it is just a veneer though, correct? Not that it matters, I was just curious.

03-22-2011, 07:57 AM	#24
masterdebradwic SS.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 114 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Dude! Post pics of yours with the 707's in it! Yea rondo can surprise ya sometimes with the quality of tops. Sometimes you'll get an amazing top that's just simply rediculous for the price! As far as the tuning issue yea I find that I'm a few cents below a440 as well, but for me it's no biggy. Even when you're playin with a band it's not rediculously noticable.

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