Locking Tuners, Necessary?

Msihcs · 12-04-2009, 09:47 AM

Hi, I have a few posts on here about doing a 7-string build in the beginner section and as I gather the parts another question has come to mind, since I cannot find locking tunerers either single or in sets of 7 and I found floyd rose 7's on eBay at a killer price (look on eBay at the "southeast music" store, awesome deals on their 7 stuff

and I have 2 bridges and 2 locking nuts, they are exactly as described, new and in perfect condition.)

I was wondering, since the locking tuners are only to hold the string in place, are they even needed, or can I just put clamps of some sort on the peghead to hold the string in place? The answer seems obvious, but just in case there is some other purpose/function to them I figured I would ask

Ibz_rg · 12-04-2009, 09:50 AM

I'd suggest them. I mean, you can try the clamp thing, but honestly, the locking tuners aren't visibly different than normal tuners (except for the back of them) so they look more professional. Not to mention it increases your tuning stability like mad.

cyril v · 12-04-2009, 09:55 AM

not totally related, but this came up when i went to search for that ebay shop you mentioned.

^win...

also, you can get sets of 7-string locking tuners.. I'd suggest contacting forum member Elysian. I've got a set of sperzels on order right now.

JJ Rodriguez · 12-04-2009, 10:00 AM

Have you looked that hard? Because 5 seconds of going to Warmoth and browsing their site netted me this: Schaller Mini Locking Tuners

I don't really understand your clamp idea. And if you have a locking nut, you don't really NEED locking tuners or a weird clamp type system. They make string changes quick and they look nice and clean without a bunch of windings on the tuning peg though.

JohnIce · 12-04-2009, 10:21 AM

Just to clarify, are you talking about Floyd Rose trems here?

Because locking tuners AND a locking trem may be a bit overkill, save for the things JJ mentioned. But for tuning stability, they won't have any effect because the string lock takes care of that.

However, when it comes to hard-tail or standard trem guitars, locking tuners are a no-brainer for me. Once you've tried them, you'll wonder how you could ever play without them. I don't have locking tuners on my Schecter Hellraiser and it annoys the living hell out of me. With my other guitars, that do have locking tuners, I've even played full gigs without tuning beforehand. That's how stable those buggers are.

TomAwesome · 12-04-2009, 10:27 AM

An alternative to getting locking tuners for use with a Floyd is running the strings backwards, so they go in through the machine heads first. The ball ends hold them in place. Some people don't like how it looks, but it works about as well without having to replace the tuners, which won't affect a double locking trem system aside from cutting some time off of string changes, anyway.

Msihcs · 12-04-2009, 11:59 AM

Thank you all for your advice, and JJ Rodriguez thank you for pointing to Warmoth

I've been looking all over but somehow I havent seen a link to them yet, maybe I just need to look more on here first

And Tom I was contemplating doing that with them but didnt know if I needed tuners or just a locking system to hold the ball in, I am looking to not have the standard tuning knobs and instead just have some small pegs to clean the look of the guitar, plus that reduces the risk of accidentally hitting the tuners off of things (I sometimes have a problem with that cause I am playing in small spaces

)

And to JohnIce, yes I am talking about floyd rose trems

ElRay · 12-04-2009, 02:08 PM

You can also check-out Todd Keehn's web site: TK Instruments He sells customized sets of Sperzel & Hipshot tuners. You can customize quantity, colors, buttons, knobs, etc.

Ray

cyril v · 12-04-2009, 04:09 PM

^I wish he would redesign that site, so weird to navigate.

vhmetalx · 12-07-2009, 12:18 PM

Pics of your guitar?

12-04-2009, 09:47 AM	#1
Msihcs ss.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa Posts: 7 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Locking Tuners, Necessary? Hi, I have a few posts on here about doing a 7-string build in the beginner section and as I gather the parts another question has come to mind, since I cannot find locking tunerers either single or in sets of 7 and I found floyd rose 7's on eBay at a killer price (look on eBay at the "southeast music" store, awesome deals on their 7 stuff and I have 2 bridges and 2 locking nuts, they are exactly as described, new and in perfect condition.) I was wondering, since the locking tuners are only to hold the string in place, are they even needed, or can I just put clamps of some sort on the peghead to hold the string in place? The answer seems obvious, but just in case there is some other purpose/function to them I figured I would ask

12-04-2009, 09:50 AM	#2
Ibz_rg Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 2,403 Thanked: 73	I'd suggest them. I mean, you can try the clamp thing, but honestly, the locking tuners aren't visibly different than normal tuners (except for the back of them) so they look more professional. Not to mention it increases your tuning stability like mad. __________________ "Death boners do happen." -Andii "There are times in my deepest introspection- my darkest times perhaps- where I have the same feelings as expressed in this song. Sometimes I, too, ain't nuthin' to fuck with. It's like the RZA says what my heart is afraid to express." -Demiurge

12-04-2009, 10:21 AM	#5
JohnIce Rhinestone Cowboy Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,429 Thanked: 84	Just to clarify, are you talking about Floyd Rose trems here? Because locking tuners AND a locking trem may be a bit overkill, save for the things JJ mentioned. But for tuning stability, they won't have any effect because the string lock takes care of that. However, when it comes to hard-tail or standard trem guitars, locking tuners are a no-brainer for me. Once you've tried them, you'll wonder how you could ever play without them. I don't have locking tuners on my Schecter Hellraiser and it annoys the living hell out of me. With my other guitars, that do have locking tuners, I've even played full gigs without tuning beforehand. That's how stable those buggers are. __________________ www.myspace.com/rhinestonetheband - Funky rock on 7-strings! Remember: "Be yourself" is the worst advice you can give to some people! "Now do Gwen since only you and Gavin can.." - Bevo "Drunk sex definitely has its ups and downs..." - leandroab

12-04-2009, 10:27 AM	#6
TomAwesome I LIKE JUICE!!! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 7,636 Thanked: 39	An alternative to getting locking tuners for use with a Floyd is running the strings backwards, so they go in through the machine heads first. The ball ends hold them in place. Some people don't like how it looks, but it works about as well without having to replace the tuners, which won't affect a double locking trem system aside from cutting some time off of string changes, anyway. __________________ "Tom, you're like 1 part a serious dork, and 2 parts the most awesome fucking guy ever." -

12-04-2009, 02:08 PM	#8
ElRay Mostly Harmless Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Belvidere, IL Posts: 1,265 Thanked: 21 $ElRay is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $ElRay is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $ElRay is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $ElRay is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $ElRay is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $ElRay is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $ElRay is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$	You can also check-out Todd Keehn's web site: TK Instruments He sells customized sets of Sperzel & Hipshot tuners. You can customize quantity, colors, buttons, knobs, etc. Ray __________________ The Ultimate Question: What string gauge is needed for 18.84# of tension when tuned to E2 on a 27" scale guitar?

12-04-2009, 09:55 AM	#3
cyril v ss.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,541 Thanked: 16	not totally related, but this came up when i went to search for that ebay shop you mentioned. ^win... also, you can get sets of 7-string locking tuners.. I'd suggest contacting forum member Elysian. I've got a set of sperzels on order right now.

12-04-2009, 10:00 AM	#4
JJ Rodriguez Pantysniffing zombie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 11,151 Thanked: 75	Have you looked that hard? Because 5 seconds of going to Warmoth and browsing their site netted me this: Schaller Mini Locking Tuners I don't really understand your clamp idea. And if you have a locking nut, you don't really NEED locking tuners or a weird clamp type system. They make string changes quick and they look nice and clean without a bunch of windings on the tuning peg though.

12-04-2009, 11:59 AM	#7
Msihcs ss.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa Posts: 7 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thank you all for your advice, and JJ Rodriguez thank you for pointing to Warmoth I've been looking all over but somehow I havent seen a link to them yet, maybe I just need to look more on here first And Tom I was contemplating doing that with them but didnt know if I needed tuners or just a locking system to hold the ball in, I am looking to not have the standard tuning knobs and instead just have some small pegs to clean the look of the guitar, plus that reduces the risk of accidentally hitting the tuners off of things (I sometimes have a problem with that cause I am playing in small spaces ) And to JohnIce, yes I am talking about floyd rose trems

12-04-2009, 04:09 PM	#9
cyril v ss.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,541 Thanked: 16	^I wish he would redesign that site, so weird to navigate.

12-07-2009, 12:18 PM	#10
vhmetalx EMG whore Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northern Cali Posts: 1,189 Thanked: 10	Pics of your guitar?

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