sevenstring guitars   sevenstring registry   photo gallery 
Sevenstring.org - The Seven String Guitar Authority
home groups register
Go Back  
 
User: 
Pass:  
Recording Studio - Discussion on everything recording based, such as mixing, mastering, mics, monitors and other gear.
Welcome to sevenstring.org! You are currently viewing the site as a guest which gives you limited access to most features.
Most ad placements do not show to registered members. Register Now!

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-19-2008, 10:40 AM   #1
Seedawakener
ouh...
 
Seedawakener's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
Posts: 2,557

Real Name: Ian
Main Seven: EBMM JP7/007 BJ/C7 HR
Rig: PodXT/PeaveyXXXCombo

Thanked: 30

Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.
I can't find the cure for muddy guitars! HELP ME!

Im trying so hard to get a tone that doesn't sound like a pile of shit in the form of music. I am currently using an X3 live (Bulbs patch at the moment) and a Schecter blackjack 007 (Mahogany body and maple neck) with an M7 in the bridge. I love the tone I get when playing, but when recorded it sucks so damn hard... None of the notes have an attack of its own. They all sound like really bad legato... I've tried EQing and I've noticed that it helps, but I don't know what exact frequencies to cut or boost!

I'm trying to record 4 tracks. 2 are 100% panned and 2 are 30% panned at the moment. How should I EQ or pan to ge the best results in clarity? I'm in a BIG need of help and any of such is rewarded with a nice little rep.

"Guys, you gotta stop it with all these threads. Its got me masturbating so furiously I'm pretty much punching myself in the groin." -JJ Rodriguez
View Seedawakener's Photo Album Online Now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 10:46 AM   #2
stuh84
The Viking himself
 
stuh84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Sheffield, UK
Posts: 2,149

Real Name: Stuart
Main Seven: LTD M207 and Jackson RR7R
Main ERG: Intrepid Pro soon :D
Rig: Invader 150

Thanked: 17

stuh84 has much to be proud ofstuh84 has much to be proud ofstuh84 has much to be proud ofstuh84 has much to be proud ofstuh84 has much to be proud ofstuh84 has much to be proud of
If you are recording that amount of tracks, you need to turn the gain down, thats the best thing to do.

If you are recording maybe one or two tracks, thats alright, but 4 total guitar tracks will not work with the same gain you use usually.
View stuh84's Photo Album Online Now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 10:50 AM   #3
Mattayus
Sir Groove-A-Lot
 
Mattayus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Cambridgeshire, UK
Posts: 2,361

Real Name: Matt
Main Seven: Ibanez RG7620GN
Rig: Peavey Banditt 112

Thanked: 60

Mattayus has much to be proud ofMattayus has much to be proud ofMattayus has much to be proud ofMattayus has much to be proud ofMattayus has much to be proud ofMattayus has much to be proud of
exactly ^

it would be good too if you could let us hear some examples to analyze the problem properly.

You always need more mids than you think in a recording situation too. 500k and 2k are good places to boost a DB or so, but dont over do it or you'll just get honk/squelch
View Mattayus's Photo Album Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 11:04 AM   #4
Seedawakener
ouh...
 
Seedawakener's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
Posts: 2,557

Real Name: Ian
Main Seven: EBMM JP7/007 BJ/C7 HR
Rig: PodXT/PeaveyXXXCombo

Thanked: 30

Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.
Thank you soooo much. Thsoe were the exact correct frequencies to boost! I can now all of a sudden hear the notes properly. Just that small fix made a lot!
View Seedawakener's Photo Album Online Now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 11:09 AM   #5
Scali
ss.org Regular
 
Scali's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: The Hague, NL
Posts: 1,007

Main Seven: Ibanez S7320
Rig: G9.2tt -> 6101

Thanked: 8

Scali is a jewel in the rough
You could also try to boost the treble (or mid) on your signal going into the distortion. This will emphasize the pick-attack, and allow you to lower the gain a bit while still having that 'hi-gain' fluid feel and sound, which in turn tightens up the low end and adds some punch.
View Scali's Photo Album Online Now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 12:20 PM   #6
Seedawakener
ouh...
 
Seedawakener's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
Posts: 2,557

Real Name: Ian
Main Seven: EBMM JP7/007 BJ/C7 HR
Rig: PodXT/PeaveyXXXCombo

Thanked: 30

Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.
Nah guys, I was just kidding... It still sounds like shit. argh... I have no clue of what to do... There must be something that I'm missing since there are so many guys on here who are getting great results from the same setup. Im using .068 Strings btw... Might be an issue? I love the sound and feeling I get from these elixirs though, so that should not be it. Im gonna try to record some with my Hellraiser and see if it is the guitar that is weird.
View Seedawakener's Photo Album Online Now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 12:29 PM   #7
stuh84
The Viking himself
 
stuh84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Sheffield, UK
Posts: 2,149

Real Name: Stuart
Main Seven: LTD M207 and Jackson RR7R
Main ERG: Intrepid Pro soon :D
Rig: Invader 150

Thanked: 17

stuh84 has much to be proud ofstuh84 has much to be proud ofstuh84 has much to be proud ofstuh84 has much to be proud ofstuh84 has much to be proud ofstuh84 has much to be proud of
Did you try it with lower gain?
View stuh84's Photo Album Online Now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 12:32 PM   #8
Clydefrog
ss.org Regular
 
Clydefrog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: North Manchester, IN
Posts: 1,048

Real Name: Justin
Main Seven: 7621W, 7421CF
Rig: PodXT Live

Thanked: 42

Clydefrog is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/Clydefrog is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/Clydefrog is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/Clydefrog is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/Clydefrog is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/Clydefrog is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/Clydefrog is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/
I use a (modified) version of bulb's patch for my recording. I set it to 100% left, 100% right, 50% left, 50% right in a quadtrack recording. 75% gain on the amp, 41% on the boost. Volume at about 72% (actually quite low when recording, but that allows it to go through without clipping anything, and I can simply raise the volume in my DAW to have it match up).

Some examples of what this sounds like for me (keep in mind, there is NO POST EQ or anything on these):

Media Player
Click here to download.
Media Player
Click here to download.
Media Player
Click here to download.
View Clydefrog's Photo Album Offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 12:51 PM   #9
Seedawakener
ouh...
 
Seedawakener's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
Posts: 2,557

Real Name: Ian
Main Seven: EBMM JP7/007 BJ/C7 HR
Rig: PodXT/PeaveyXXXCombo

Thanked: 30

Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.Seedawakener is shredding to new heights.
CHRONO TRIGGER! Hell yeah! I heard the intro and was gonna ask if it was a sample from CT and the the first riff came and I was like: oh, its just not a sample. Yasunori mitsuda is the man!

Thx too, Sounds pretty awesome, gonna try it out!
View Seedawakener's Photo Album Online Now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 12:53 PM   #10
Shaman
ss.org Regular
 
Shaman's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,752

Real Name: Tomi .R
Main Seven: Carvin DC727, Hellraiser
Rig: TripleRecto&Invader

Thanked: 9

Shaman is a glorious beacon of lightShaman is a glorious beacon of lightShaman is a glorious beacon of light
When quadtracking, the standard panning is usually 80/80 and 100/100. Having the guitars panned too close to the center will add a bit of mush.

Also, try how it sounds with only two tracks 100/100, since quadtracking guitars might not be the best option when it comes to clarity, because even if you are the tightest player ever, having four individual tracks will add a bit of mud. The tighter the takes are, the less you will have, but quadtracking is not a must in any way!

And remember to tie 90pound metal objects to your testicles to add pain and feeling to your take... oh what!?
View Shaman's Photo Album Offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Where can i find specs on old ibanez guitars that aren't in production anymore? Elijah Standard Guitars 4 06-12-2008 06:22 PM
Muddy Ibanez 7321 - Amp (or) PUPS? 7seven7 Pickups, Electronics & General Tech 16 11-21-2006 11:49 AM
I'm really getting a muddy rhythm tone from my PODxt.. help plz :) fretboardninja Recording Studio 7 06-22-2006 08:48 AM
Help! Muddy Evolution! 777 Pickups, Electronics & General Tech 10 02-23-2006 01:59 PM
Guitars and unwanted noise- a guide to help cure Digital Black Pickups, Electronics & General Tech 8 08-02-2005 10:32 PM

The Seven String Guitar Authority
 Raleigh Music Academy Soloway Guitars Angel Vivaldi
 Eric Clemenzi Ra Fans Vince LuPone
 The Guitar Workshop Tremol-No Division
 Michael Sherman Guitars Out of this Swirled Drew Peterson
Powered by vBulletin 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.2.0
"777" Logo © Darren Wilson
Privacy Policy
Affiliate Links Directory


  One of the largest message boards on the web !

RSS  Add to My Yahoo!  Add to iGoogle

Page generated in 0.24739 seconds with 23 queries