Recto guys help me out

kmanick · 05-20-2008, 10:51 AM

Hmmm? my JSX handled this pretty well.
netmusicians.org - the guitar gear mp3 database

I'm thinking of maybe blending them together??

man this amp is so much easier to record than the recto

Drew · 05-20-2008, 11:23 AM

Part of it is probably the sound of the guitar, too, Nick - the clip you posted above sounds verty "rock-y" whereas yours is more metal, which you'd expect from a 25" scale mahogany 6 string with PRS pickups vs. a 25.5" maple and mahogany 7 with Bareknuckles. It's more Mark Tremonti to your Nevermore...

That said, I really think part of what you're looking for is the way the midrange responds differently in modern mode. give it a try, with maybe a slightl darker mic position.

Also, this may not work for you, but I found I get tones I'm a little happier with if I DON'T close mic right up against the grill, but mic towards the edge of the proximity effect zone, maybe 1 1/2"-2" back. Worth a try, at least...

kmanick · 05-20-2008, 11:28 AM

I've got a lot of stuff to experiment with.
last night I had the output up at noon and the channel volume at 9:00.(It was fucking loud

) I cut it back to -16dbs and did my take.
when I was done I noticed that even by just raising the channel volume from 9:00 to 10:00, the freaking tone stack changed.
I'm going to need to spend some hours trying different settings.
man you guys weren't kidding, these Mesa's are a tweaking nightmare.

but I must say when you can crank them they do sound pretty damn good

Matt Crooks · 05-20-2008, 11:55 AM

Recto + volume = WIN

eaeolian · 05-20-2008, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Crooks

Recto + volume = WIN

TripleRec + Master at noon = deafening...

But man, did it sound good.

Thixotrope · 05-20-2008, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmanick

I've got a lot of stuff to experiment with.
last night I had the output up at noon and the channel volume at 9:00.(It was fucking loud

) I cut it back to -16dbs and did my take.
when I was done I noticed that even by just raising the channel volume from 9:00 to 10:00, the freaking tone stack changed.
I'm going to need to spend some hours trying different settings.
man you guys weren't kidding, these Mesa's are a tweaking nightmare.

but I must say when you cna crank them they do sound pretty damn good

No kidding! If you read the manual it describes all the idiosyncrasies involved with adjusting bass, mid and trebs and presence. They're intertwined and give different responses based on the other knobs positioning. A pain in the ass to dial but once you're there it's gold.

kmanick · 05-20-2008, 06:01 PM

Ok big difference, I pulled the KT-77's and dropped in a set of 6L6's and
the "boxy" dry midrange tone that I was hearing that was driving me
nuts is gone.

The KT-77's/EL-34's make playing stuff like Vinnie Moore and Satch etc,
more reasonable, they were "vintage-ing" the tone in a really cool way,
adding a different dimension to the amps sound, but they were making
getting the "real recto" tone that I've been trying to nail, freaking impossible.
Next set of clips should be much ,much better.

I could probably smooth out the JSX a bit as well with a set of 6L6's
but I like the JSX as is for the "other stuff".

7 Strings of Hate · 05-20-2008, 06:23 PM

thats excatly what happened when i pulled my kt66's for the 6l6's, the sound i'm used to dialed in so much easier, but i didnt even realize they were 66's, i just assumed they came with 6l6's

Thixotrope · 05-20-2008, 10:04 PM

This link was very helpful for me when first learning how to mic things properly. It might give you some good ideas...

Guitar Tone video

drenzium · 05-20-2008, 11:16 PM

That tone is terrible, remind me to never get a triple rec, or to use those settings.

Sorry just being honest.

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Drew Fear the Polo! • Super Moderator • Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 29,803 Real Name: Call me Ahab... Main Seven: 1991 Ibanez UV7PWH Main ERG: Sherman 5-string bass Rig: Mesa Recto-verb 50 Thanked: 147	Part of it is probably the sound of the guitar, too, Nick - the clip you posted above sounds verty "rock-y" whereas yours is more metal, which you'd expect from a 25" scale mahogany 6 string with PRS pickups vs. a 25.5" maple and mahogany 7 with Bareknuckles. It's more Mark Tremonti to your Nevermore... That said, I really think part of what you're looking for is the way the midrange responds differently in modern mode. give it a try, with maybe a slightl darker mic position. Also, this may not work for you, but I found I get tones I'm a little happier with if I DON'T close mic right up against the grill, but mic towards the edge of the proximity effect zone, maybe 1 1/2"-2" back. Worth a try, at least... "...and everything under the sun is in tune, but the sun is eclipsed by the moon."

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kmanick Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: BOSTON Posts: 2,888 Real Name: Nick Main Seven: Carvin DC727C/Ibby 7620RB Rig: JSX/Mesa Rectoverb Thanked: 38 $kmanick is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $kmanick is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $kmanick is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $kmanick is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $kmanick is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $kmanick is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $kmanick is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$	I've got a lot of stuff to experiment with. last night I had the output up at noon and the channel volume at 9:00.(It was fucking loud ) I cut it back to -16dbs and did my take. when I was done I noticed that even by just raising the channel volume from 9:00 to 10:00, the freaking tone stack changed. I'm going to need to spend some hours trying different settings. man you guys weren't kidding, these Mesa's are a tweaking nightmare. but I must say when you can crank them they do sound pretty damn good Last edited by kmanick; 05-20-2008 at 03:34 PM.

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kmanick Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: BOSTON Posts: 2,888 Real Name: Nick Main Seven: Carvin DC727C/Ibby 7620RB Rig: JSX/Mesa Rectoverb Thanked: 38 $kmanick is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $kmanick is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $kmanick is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $kmanick is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $kmanick is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $kmanick is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $kmanick is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$	Ok big difference, I pulled the KT-77's and dropped in a set of 6L6's and the "boxy" dry midrange tone that I was hearing that was driving me nuts is gone. The KT-77's/EL-34's make playing stuff like Vinnie Moore and Satch etc, more reasonable, they were "vintage-ing" the tone in a really cool way, adding a different dimension to the amps sound, but they were making getting the "real recto" tone that I've been trying to nail, freaking impossible. Next set of clips should be much ,much better. I could probably smooth out the JSX a bit as well with a set of 6L6's but I like the JSX as is for the "other stuff".

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7 Strings of Hate Resident Pothead Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: St.Louis USA Posts: 3,263 Real Name: Chris Main Seven: Ibanez S7320+Blackouts Rig: Mesa Rectoverb Head Thanked: 43	thats excatly what happened when i pulled my kt66's for the 6l6's, the sound i'm used to dialed in so much easier, but i didnt even realize they were 66's, i just assumed they came with 6l6's Confront and Destroy! -7SoH http://www.myspace.com/7stringsofhate

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Thixotrope ss.org Regular Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 111 Real Name: Reggie Main Seven: Alex Chase Custom Rig: Mesa Triple Rect. Thanked: 5	This link was very helpful for me when first learning how to mic things properly. It might give you some good ideas... Guitar Tone video

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drenzium ss.org Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 106 Thanked: 4	That tone is terrible, remind me to never get a triple rec, or to use those settings. Sorry just being honest.

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