Another Rhythm Guitar sound thread...

Vince · 10-02-2005, 06:04 PM

I'm obsessed with obtaining perfect rhythm guitar if you haven't noticed already

Here's today's adventure. I am finally getting close to the sound I want. I don't very often get to have my guitar gear at home anymore (usually at the rehearsal pad) and with school/work I've been too busy to really mess with sounds like I want to.

Anyway, I would be happy putting this guitar sound on an album. Can it be improved? Of course! This is just another in a long line of experiments. There's 4 tracks of rhythm guitar here. I used my Ibanez S7 with the Duncan JB pickup for all 4 tracks. I used the same rhythm guitar sound for all 4 tracks. The differences lie in the mics. 2 tracks were recorded with an AKG C1000S and 2 tracks were recorded with an SM57. The mics were put in as close to the same location on the speaker as I could get.

What I found is the AKG has a more well-rounded sound, while the SM57 adds more bite and is more aggressive sounding. I really dig mixing these two sounds together, and I'm interested to see how this sound is going to mesh with my drummer and bassist on a recording. It should be interesting.

Anway, here's the MP3:

http://www.vincelupone.com/gtrtest/V...rhygtrtest.mp3 (1.1 Mb)

Extra points if you can place the riff

Here's a few pics of the miked amp. Same rack as usual, using a modified recording sound from the Chameleon, and the presence knobs on the Mesa are set to 6. I'm using the Mesa on half drive, as the full 100 watts just had too much bass for the mics at this volume. Since I keep my 4x12 cab at my rehearsal pad, the Avatar 2x12 will have to do for this recording. I'll probably use the 4x12 on our upcoming album, though.

AKG C1000S:

Shure SM57:

The mics are right up in the grill.

Please let me know what you guys think of the sound.

Drew · 10-02-2005, 06:12 PM

I'd like to hear a touch more mids, myself, and a hair less gain, but that's pretty close to the "heavy" rhythm sound I like too.

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The Dark Wolf · 10-02-2005, 06:15 PM

Vince, it's a cool sound, but A/B-ing next to some stuff from bands we know- Nevermore, Lamb of God, KsE, Korn, Metallica- it definitely seems to be lacking in the... *pause* you guessed it, I'm gonna say MIDS. It just sounds way too hollow and empty to me. A cool solo sound, but I'm not sure how it will fit in the mix.

As an aside, it's almost a dead-ringer for the tone on Whitsnake's 'Still of the Night'. Scary.

Vince · 10-02-2005, 06:22 PM

you guys are right. hang on, I'm gonna upload a 2nd file

Vince · 10-02-2005, 06:31 PM

ok, the file in the first post is corrected with some EQ adjustment. You guys were right it needed some more mids. It's still not perfect, but it's closer

same link as before (I just updated the file):
http://www.vincelupone.com/gtrtest/V...rhygtrtest.mp3

Metal Ken · 10-02-2005, 06:37 PM

Sounds good to me. \m/

The Dark Wolf · 10-02-2005, 06:46 PM

Whatever you did, it distorts like shit now.

Vince · 10-02-2005, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

Whatever you did, it distorts like shit now.

picky picky

I had the volume a little hot. Try it again, the levels are fixed.

Christopher · 10-02-2005, 07:06 PM

Damien by Savatage? Cool tone!

Vince · 10-02-2005, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christopher

Damien by Savatage?

You, my friend, absolutely kick ass.

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10-02-2005, 06:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
Vince Vince is X!!! • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 7,579 Real Name: Vince Main Seven: Ibanez Rig: Rocktron / Mesa Thanked: 106	Another Rhythm Guitar sound thread... I'm obsessed with obtaining perfect rhythm guitar if you haven't noticed already Here's today's adventure. I am finally getting close to the sound I want. I don't very often get to have my guitar gear at home anymore (usually at the rehearsal pad) and with school/work I've been too busy to really mess with sounds like I want to. Anyway, I would be happy putting this guitar sound on an album. Can it be improved? Of course! This is just another in a long line of experiments. There's 4 tracks of rhythm guitar here. I used my Ibanez S7 with the Duncan JB pickup for all 4 tracks. I used the same rhythm guitar sound for all 4 tracks. The differences lie in the mics. 2 tracks were recorded with an AKG C1000S and 2 tracks were recorded with an SM57. The mics were put in as close to the same location on the speaker as I could get. What I found is the AKG has a more well-rounded sound, while the SM57 adds more bite and is more aggressive sounding. I really dig mixing these two sounds together, and I'm interested to see how this sound is going to mesh with my drummer and bassist on a recording. It should be interesting. Anway, here's the MP3: http://www.vincelupone.com/gtrtest/V...rhygtrtest.mp3 (1.1 Mb) Extra points if you can place the riff Here's a few pics of the miked amp. Same rack as usual, using a modified recording sound from the Chameleon, and the presence knobs on the Mesa are set to 6. I'm using the Mesa on half drive, as the full 100 watts just had too much bass for the mics at this volume. Since I keep my 4x12 cab at my rehearsal pad, the Avatar 2x12 will have to do for this recording. I'll probably use the 4x12 on our upcoming album, though. AKG C1000S: Shure SM57: The mics are right up in the grill. Please let me know what you guys think of the sound. THE ASYLUM VINCELUPONE.COM

10-02-2005, 06:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
Drew Fear the Polo! • Super Moderator • Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 29,198 Real Name: Call me Ahab... Main Seven: 1991 Ibanez UV7PWH Main ERG: Sherman 5-string bass Rig: Mesa Recto-verb 50 Thanked: 140	I'd like to hear a touch more mids, myself, and a hair less gain, but that's pretty close to the "heavy" rhythm sound I like too. ` "...and everything under the sun is in tune, but the sun is eclipsed by the moon."

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The Dark Wolf Booze & Metal, Arrgh! • Super Moderator • Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toledo, Ohio. USA Posts: 16,041 Real Name: Bob Main Seven: 2001 Ibanez RG2027XVV Rig: GNX/Magicstomp Thanked: 83	Vince, it's a cool sound, but A/B-ing next to some stuff from bands we know- Nevermore, Lamb of God, KsE, Korn, Metallica- it definitely seems to be lacking in the... pause you guessed it, I'm gonna say MIDS. It just sounds way too hollow and empty to me. A cool solo sound, but I'm not sure how it will fit in the mix. As an aside, it's almost a dead-ringer for the tone on Whitsnake's 'Still of the Night'. Scary. http://www.wolf.org

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10-02-2005, 06:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
Vince Vince is X!!! • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 7,579 Real Name: Vince Main Seven: Ibanez Rig: Rocktron / Mesa Thanked: 106	you guys are right. hang on, I'm gonna upload a 2nd file

10-02-2005, 06:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
Vince Vince is X!!! • Super Moderator • Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 7,579 Real Name: Vince Main Seven: Ibanez Rig: Rocktron / Mesa Thanked: 106	ok, the file in the first post is corrected with some EQ adjustment. You guys were right it needed some more mids. It's still not perfect, but it's closer same link as before (I just updated the file): http://www.vincelupone.com/gtrtest/V...rhygtrtest.mp3

10-02-2005, 06:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
The Dark Wolf Booze & Metal, Arrgh! • Super Moderator • Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toledo, Ohio. USA Posts: 16,041 Real Name: Bob Main Seven: 2001 Ibanez RG2027XVV Rig: GNX/Magicstomp Thanked: 83	Whatever you did, it distorts like shit now.

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