Help me sound better!

Aerospace274 · 05-27-2012, 02:38 PM

My new song.
I'm recording direct from my amp (Line6 Spider3 75w lulz) with my customized Schecter baritone.
How's it sound? Any advice to get a better tone out of my amp or anything I could do to make it sound better? It's double tracked with one take each if that's useful to know!

Diggy · 05-27-2012, 02:50 PM

I've been messing with my Spider III lately.. recording direct with the Meshuggah setting, but tweaking down the treb and gain a bit. While its no killer sound, pretty decent for single note stuff in low tunings.. playing chords is another story all together.

That being said, while I listend to your track, I thought to myself "less gain. less highs".

Aerospace274 · 05-27-2012, 02:56 PM

Thanks! I think that might just be error on my part. My gain is at 6 and my highs are at 7 but I did not remove any of the normal hiss that comes along with recording using shitty cables haha! I'll run some noise removal and see, otherwise I'll tweak my tone a bit!

Aerospace274 · 05-29-2012, 09:47 PM

So, I did tweak my tone a little bit. Less gain, less highs, less channel volume. Let me know what you think!
Letsplayfast
Edit: Also filtered some noise out and threw in some midi bass and drums!

jsaudio · 05-29-2012, 10:20 PM

well your first step would be to completely get rid of your line 6 spider and then make sure you clean your house after you have gotten rid of it to make sure no "spider grossness" is left behind lol

No but seriously i personally think it making getting a good tone more difficult because they suck lol awesome practice amps but should never enter a into any type of recording IMO

but overall i think mixwise you just need to work on better guitar/drum tones make sure you EQ out all that low end that is muddying everything up. Hope this helps a bit sorry if i sound condescending no intention of it lol

Diggy · 05-30-2012, 05:07 PM

This one sounds better.. but as jsaudio said above, dont expect too much from the Spider. Its good to mess around with and silently record ideas.. like i do, since I dont have a bazillion dollars rite now an Axe FX.. but "THE TONE" is just not in Spiders.

Aerospace274 · 05-30-2012, 07:54 PM

Letsplayfaster
There, dropped the bass down from 6 to 4. I think it actually did help a lot!

Oh, after listening to it, the guitars are a lot quieter this time!

Lern2swim · 05-30-2012, 08:29 PM

Yeah, I like the previous one more. It, honestly, doesn't sound too bad, considering the amp. Everyone is obviously telling you to get rid of the Spider, which would be a good time, eventually, but that's not always an option. So, in the meantime, let's focus on getting what you have available to you sounding as good as possible.

I think part of the issue with the 2nd (and 3rd) mix is actually the bass. It seems like it's just taking up a bit too much room and making things a bit boomy. I'd try to tighten that up a bit and cut some of the excess frequencies out of it and then maybe add a bit more presence back into the guitar.

Alternately, could you play through an amp sim instead of the Spider? There's plenty of free options available.

Aerospace274 · 05-30-2012, 09:13 PM

Do you mean the bass guitar or the bass in my tone? Cause the bass instrument is just midi lol. I'm playing a really long scale baritone (30" in B) so I'm sure I could cut most of my bass freq out of my tone if that's a problem!

Lern2swim · 05-30-2012, 09:15 PM

I meant the actual midi bass. It sounds boomy. Not so much that there's no initial attack, but enough that it's a constant din of bass note. If you could post that exact mix, with the midi bass removed, I could tell you for sure if that's what I'm hearing.

Aerospace274 · 05-30-2012, 09:18 PM

I could record a new one with the same tone and no bass? Just the drums going with it, if that'd be cool!
ala this

Lern2swim · 05-30-2012, 10:45 PM

Yep. That definitely makes it apparent to me that the bass is a big part of MY issues with the mix. I'd go in and take a look at the kick drum too, because you can hear that it was adding to the boom too. Then work on the guitar eq a bit from there (It sounds like it needs a bit more presence to me, but it'll be hard to tell until you address the kick drum a bit). THEN add the midi bass back in, keeping it's eq a bit more selective. Then, from there, you should only have some slight tinkering to balance things out.

I think, if you go through things in that order, you'll end up with a much more defined mix, even sticking with the Spider.

Lern2swim · 05-31-2012, 05:05 PM

Make sure you post the results if you try that. I'm curious to hear how it comes out.

Lern2swim · 06-11-2012, 04:59 PM

So?

iRaiseTheDead · 06-12-2012, 12:54 AM

Getting better man

I'm really liking the tone

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05-27-2012, 02:38 PM	#1
Aerospace274 Scotty G! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Mankato, MN Posts: 253 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Help me sound better! My new song. I'm recording direct from my amp (Line6 Spider3 75w lulz) with my customized Schecter baritone. How's it sound? Any advice to get a better tone out of my amp or anything I could do to make it sound better? It's double tracked with one take each if that's useful to know! -I'm an 8 string guitarist, not an 8th string guitarist. -Music is an expression of emotion, not a challenge of who can play faster or who can tune lower.

05-27-2012, 02:50 PM	#2
Diggy Internet tough guy Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: STL MO Posts: 540 Thanked: 4 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I've been messing with my Spider III lately.. recording direct with the Meshuggah setting, but tweaking down the treb and gain a bit. While its no killer sound, pretty decent for single note stuff in low tunings.. playing chords is another story all together. That being said, while I listend to your track, I thought to myself "less gain. less highs". "Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken"

05-27-2012, 02:56 PM	#3
Aerospace274 Scotty G! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Mankato, MN Posts: 253 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thanks! I think that might just be error on my part. My gain is at 6 and my highs are at 7 but I did not remove any of the normal hiss that comes along with recording using shitty cables haha! I'll run some noise removal and see, otherwise I'll tweak my tone a bit! -I'm an 8 string guitarist, not an 8th string guitarist. -Music is an expression of emotion, not a challenge of who can play faster or who can tune lower.

05-29-2012, 09:47 PM	#4
Aerospace274 Scotty G! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Mankato, MN Posts: 253 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So, I did tweak my tone a little bit. Less gain, less highs, less channel volume. Let me know what you think! Letsplayfast Edit: Also filtered some noise out and threw in some midi bass and drums! -I'm an 8 string guitarist, not an 8th string guitarist. -Music is an expression of emotion, not a challenge of who can play faster or who can tune lower.

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05-29-2012, 10:20 PM	#5
jsaudio SS.org Regular Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Lebanon, IN Posts: 383 Thanked: 24 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well your first step would be to completely get rid of your line 6 spider and then make sure you clean your house after you have gotten rid of it to make sure no "spider grossness" is left behind lol No but seriously i personally think it making getting a good tone more difficult because they suck lol awesome practice amps but should never enter a into any type of recording IMO but overall i think mixwise you just need to work on better guitar/drum tones make sure you EQ out all that low end that is muddying everything up. Hope this helps a bit sorry if i sound condescending no intention of it lol

05-30-2012, 05:07 PM	#6
Diggy Internet tough guy Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: STL MO Posts: 540 Thanked: 4 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	This one sounds better.. but as jsaudio said above, dont expect too much from the Spider. Its good to mess around with and silently record ideas.. like i do, since I dont have a bazillion dollars rite now an Axe FX.. but "THE TONE" is just not in Spiders. "Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken"

05-30-2012, 07:54 PM	#7
Aerospace274 Scotty G! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Mankato, MN Posts: 253 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Letsplayfaster There, dropped the bass down from 6 to 4. I think it actually did help a lot! Oh, after listening to it, the guitars are a lot quieter this time! -I'm an 8 string guitarist, not an 8th string guitarist. -Music is an expression of emotion, not a challenge of who can play faster or who can tune lower.

05-30-2012, 08:29 PM	#8
Lern2swim Slurp knob gobble Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,252 Thanked: 12 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Yeah, I like the previous one more. It, honestly, doesn't sound too bad, considering the amp. Everyone is obviously telling you to get rid of the Spider, which would be a good time, eventually, but that's not always an option. So, in the meantime, let's focus on getting what you have available to you sounding as good as possible. I think part of the issue with the 2nd (and 3rd) mix is actually the bass. It seems like it's just taking up a bit too much room and making things a bit boomy. I'd try to tighten that up a bit and cut some of the excess frequencies out of it and then maybe add a bit more presence back into the guitar. Alternately, could you play through an amp sim instead of the Spider? There's plenty of free options available.

05-30-2012, 09:13 PM	#9
Aerospace274 Scotty G! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Mankato, MN Posts: 253 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Do you mean the bass guitar or the bass in my tone? Cause the bass instrument is just midi lol. I'm playing a really long scale baritone (30" in B) so I'm sure I could cut most of my bass freq out of my tone if that's a problem! -I'm an 8 string guitarist, not an 8th string guitarist. -Music is an expression of emotion, not a challenge of who can play faster or who can tune lower.

05-30-2012, 09:15 PM	#10
Lern2swim Slurp knob gobble Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,252 Thanked: 12 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I meant the actual midi bass. It sounds boomy. Not so much that there's no initial attack, but enough that it's a constant din of bass note. If you could post that exact mix, with the midi bass removed, I could tell you for sure if that's what I'm hearing.

05-30-2012, 09:18 PM	#11
Aerospace274 Scotty G! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Mankato, MN Posts: 253 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I could record a new one with the same tone and no bass? Just the drums going with it, if that'd be cool! ala this -I'm an 8 string guitarist, not an 8th string guitarist. -Music is an expression of emotion, not a challenge of who can play faster or who can tune lower.

05-30-2012, 10:45 PM	#12
Lern2swim Slurp knob gobble Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,252 Thanked: 12 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Yep. That definitely makes it apparent to me that the bass is a big part of MY issues with the mix. I'd go in and take a look at the kick drum too, because you can hear that it was adding to the boom too. Then work on the guitar eq a bit from there (It sounds like it needs a bit more presence to me, but it'll be hard to tell until you address the kick drum a bit). THEN add the midi bass back in, keeping it's eq a bit more selective. Then, from there, you should only have some slight tinkering to balance things out. I think, if you go through things in that order, you'll end up with a much more defined mix, even sticking with the Spider. Aerospace274 likes this.

05-31-2012, 05:05 PM	#13
Lern2swim Slurp knob gobble Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,252 Thanked: 12 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Make sure you post the results if you try that. I'm curious to hear how it comes out.

06-12-2012, 12:54 AM	#15
iRaiseTheDead Ashes Of Rebirth Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,801 Thanked: 22 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Getting better man I'm really liking the tone \m/ My Band: www.facebook.com/AshesOfRebirth My Soundcloud: (riffs and song ideas) www.soundcloud.com/iRaiseTheDead My Design Page: www.facebook.com/RaiseTheDeadDesign

06-11-2012, 04:59 PM	#14
Lern2swim Slurp knob gobble Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,252 Thanked: 12 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	So?

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