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Unread 05-27-2012, 02:38 PM   #1
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Help me sound better!

My new song.
I'm recording direct from my amp (Line6 Spider3 75w lulz) with my customized Schecter baritone.
How's it sound? Any advice to get a better tone out of my amp or anything I could do to make it sound better? It's double tracked with one take each if that's useful to know!

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Unread 05-27-2012, 02:50 PM   #2
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I've been messing with my Spider III lately.. recording direct with the Meshuggah setting, but tweaking down the treb and gain a bit. While its no killer sound, pretty decent for single note stuff in low tunings.. playing chords is another story all together.

That being said, while I listend to your track, I thought to myself "less gain. less highs".
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Unread 05-27-2012, 02:56 PM   #3
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Thanks! I think that might just be error on my part. My gain is at 6 and my highs are at 7 but I did not remove any of the normal hiss that comes along with recording using shitty cables haha! I'll run some noise removal and see, otherwise I'll tweak my tone a bit!

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Unread 05-29-2012, 09:47 PM   #4
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So, I did tweak my tone a little bit. Less gain, less highs, less channel volume. Let me know what you think!
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Edit: Also filtered some noise out and threw in some midi bass and drums!

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Unread 05-29-2012, 10:20 PM   #5
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well your first step would be to completely get rid of your line 6 spider and then make sure you clean your house after you have gotten rid of it to make sure no "spider grossness" is left behind lol

No but seriously i personally think it making getting a good tone more difficult because they suck lol awesome practice amps but should never enter a into any type of recording IMO

but overall i think mixwise you just need to work on better guitar/drum tones make sure you EQ out all that low end that is muddying everything up. Hope this helps a bit sorry if i sound condescending no intention of it lol
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Unread 05-30-2012, 05:07 PM   #6
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This one sounds better.. but as jsaudio said above, dont expect too much from the Spider. Its good to mess around with and silently record ideas.. like i do, since I dont have a bazillion dollars rite now an Axe FX.. but "THE TONE" is just not in Spiders.
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Unread 05-30-2012, 07:54 PM   #7
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There, dropped the bass down from 6 to 4. I think it actually did help a lot!


Oh, after listening to it, the guitars are a lot quieter this time!

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Yeah, I like the previous one more. It, honestly, doesn't sound too bad, considering the amp. Everyone is obviously telling you to get rid of the Spider, which would be a good time, eventually, but that's not always an option. So, in the meantime, let's focus on getting what you have available to you sounding as good as possible.

I think part of the issue with the 2nd (and 3rd) mix is actually the bass. It seems like it's just taking up a bit too much room and making things a bit boomy. I'd try to tighten that up a bit and cut some of the excess frequencies out of it and then maybe add a bit more presence back into the guitar.

Alternately, could you play through an amp sim instead of the Spider? There's plenty of free options available.
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Do you mean the bass guitar or the bass in my tone? Cause the bass instrument is just midi lol. I'm playing a really long scale baritone (30" in B) so I'm sure I could cut most of my bass freq out of my tone if that's a problem!

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Unread 05-30-2012, 09:15 PM   #10
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I meant the actual midi bass. It sounds boomy. Not so much that there's no initial attack, but enough that it's a constant din of bass note. If you could post that exact mix, with the midi bass removed, I could tell you for sure if that's what I'm hearing.
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I could record a new one with the same tone and no bass? Just the drums going with it, if that'd be cool!
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Yep. That definitely makes it apparent to me that the bass is a big part of MY issues with the mix. I'd go in and take a look at the kick drum too, because you can hear that it was adding to the boom too. Then work on the guitar eq a bit from there (It sounds like it needs a bit more presence to me, but it'll be hard to tell until you address the kick drum a bit). THEN add the midi bass back in, keeping it's eq a bit more selective. Then, from there, you should only have some slight tinkering to balance things out.

I think, if you go through things in that order, you'll end up with a much more defined mix, even sticking with the Spider.
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Make sure you post the results if you try that. I'm curious to hear how it comes out.
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Getting better man I'm really liking the tone
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