Meshuggah - Break Those Bones Whose Sinews Gave It Motion cover (Vocals anyone?)

[xfilth]

I was bored today and had a couple of hours free, so I learned and recorded this beastly song. I know I shouldn't post this until I hear the mix with fresh ears (my head is bombed right now), but I simply can't be bothered

Meshuggah - Break Those Bones Whose Sinews Gave It Motion (cover) by MattRa on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

Can't ....ing wait for the new album. This song is groovy as hell. Better (IMO!) than anything from Obzen.

But as you probably noticed it's lacking vocals. If there are any Kidmen () out there, let me know!

Superior Drummer + The Metal Foundry
Guitars are RG2228 through Axe Fx 2 - stock Djentlemanly preset
Bass is SR1006EFM through TSE B.O.D (tuned with regular B standard strings down to F standard, lol -_-)
Waves plugins
Absynth for synths
Ebow for the mid-section lead guitar

[xfilth]

Alright, I guess no one likes Meshuggah anymore, so here's a live cover of Tenacious D's .... Her Gently

https://www.facebook.com/video/video...=2972946115667

[FOAM]

This might be very harsh, but it's honest:

No one likes listening to poor covers. And I for one can't stand people trying to sound alike.

Intro sounds weak, your time and feel is a bit off, I can hardly differentiate the bass drum and bass guitar, guitars lack power and sound muddy when muting (can't tell if it's your playing or tone).

Sure, it's listenable. Wouldn't listen to it again though. I might have given you some positive response as well if you had posted something of your own.

I don't see the point of recording covers, making no alterations. Truly. What's the point?

[Pooluke41]

Originally Posted by FOAM

This might be very harsh, but it's honest:

No one likes listening to poor covers. And I for one can't stand people trying to sound alike.

Intro sounds weak, your time and feel is a bit off, I can hardly differentiate the bass drum and bass guitar, guitars lack power and sound muddy when muting (can't tell if it's your playing or tone).

Sure, it's listenable. Wouldn't listen to it again though. I might have given you some positive response as well if you had posted something of your own.

I don't see the point of recording covers, making no alterations. Truly. Don't put vocals on it. What's the point?

I think you were being incredibly mean there, I read that before the song came on and I didn't expect much.

But when I listened to it, it was incredibly good, the guitar was tight, the mix was reasonable and the only weakness would be that the mix needs a little work.

Sadly I'm shite at mixing so I cannae help there.

But Good Job.

[FOAM]

Mean? It's just my philosophy.

I see the potential in his playing and sound, but it agitates me to see it spent on nothing productive.

I want him to break out of that shell.

[Iamasingularity]

Originally Posted by FOAM

This might be very harsh, but it's honest:

No one likes listening to poor covers. And I for one can't stand people trying to sound alike.

Intro sounds weak, your time and feel is a bit off, I can hardly differentiate the bass drum and bass guitar, guitars lack power and sound muddy when muting (can't tell if it's your playing or tone).

Sure, it's listenable. Wouldn't listen to it again though. I might have given you some positive response as well if you had posted something of your own.

I don't see the point of recording covers, making no alterations. Truly. Don't put vocals on it. What's the point?

Its a ....ing cover. He didn`t say "Oh heres my new song blah blah" He clearly states its a cover. When did it become illegal to cover songs?

Who are you to put him down telling him? "I don't see the point of recording covers, making no alterations. Truly. Don't put vocals on it. What's the point?"

The point is he wanted to cover it, as simple as it may sound even BANDS do it all the time. He`s asking someone to put vocals nicely to make his cover complete, it shows he like to put whole material out there, not just a piece of it.

Forgive me if I`m wrong but isn`t it our musical role models that move us to strive to be something like them???

[xfilth]

Originally Posted by FOAM

This might be very harsh, but it's honest:

No one likes listening to poor covers. And I for one can't stand people trying to sound alike.

Intro sounds weak, your time and feel is a bit off, I can hardly differentiate the bass drum and bass guitar, guitars lack power and sound muddy when muting (can't tell if it's your playing or tone).

Sure, it's listenable. Wouldn't listen to it again though. I might have given you some positive response as well if you had posted something of your own.

I don't see the point of recording covers, making no alterations. Truly. Don't put vocals on it. What's the point?

Thanks - I appreciate the honesty

I wasn't really trying to copy Meshuggah's sound - I was pretty much slapping some stock presets on drums and guitar and worked from there.

I think the bass drums sits alright(?). Obviously, the low F on a bass with a B string is gonna be tricky, but I had to work with what I had.

I also think that these loose, muddy, semi-muted chords are a pretty integral part of the songs sound, but I might have overdone it

[Pooluke41]

I don't want to start an argument but if you want him to "break out of his shell" you're doing it the wrong way, giving him some tips would have been better, but essentially saying "That's shit GTFO" is just shit-stirring.

Also OP, if you could try to Quad Track it, that would make it sound a bit thicker on the guitars.

[schecterhellraiserc-7]

I like it, I suck at recording and that is really good, AND an accurate cover, well done.

[Iamasingularity]

Originally Posted by Pooluke41

Also OP, if you could try to Quad Track it, that would make it sound a bit thicker on the guitars.

2 tracks on the left 100%, rest right and even leaning towards the center.

[Pooluke41]

Originally Posted by Iamasingularity

2 tracks on the left 100%, rest right and even leaning towards the center.

I'd go:

Track 1: 100% L
Track 2: 50% L
Track 3: 50% R
Track 4: 100% R

Either that or have the 50%'s at 80% to balance it out

[FOAM]

Originally Posted by Iamasingularity

Its a ....ing cover. He didn`t say "Oh heres my new song blah blah" He clearly states its a cover. When did it become illegal to cover songs?

I'm fully aware of that.

Originally Posted by Iamasingularity

Who are you to put him down telling him? "I don't see the point of recording covers, making no alterations. Truly. Don't put vocals on it. What's the point?"

I might have taken it too far telling him not to put vocals on it, but otherwise it's a genuine question, and I'm still asking.

Originally Posted by Iamasingularity

The point is he wanted to cover it, as simple as it may sound even BANDS do it all the time.

Yes, but they bring their own sound and arrangement to the table, most of the time. Personally I acquire something new in the cover that justifies me listening to it once instead of the original (which in almost every case is superior).

Originally Posted by Iamasingularity

Forgive me if I`m wrong but isn`t it our musical role models that move us to strive to be something like them???

You're right, but why wouldn't you want to be something of your own?

Music should be personal.

Originally Posted by xfilth

I think the bass drums sits alright(?). Obviously, the low F on a bass with a B string is gonna be tricky, but I had to work with what I had.

I also think that these loose, muddy, semi-muted chords are a pretty integral part of the songs sound, but I might have overdone it

Bass drum sounds nice. You're tuning down to F on a 5-string bass? Our ears aren't capable of hearing notes that low. You should go an octave up.

Yeah, that's not exactly what I mean about the guitar tone. I don't know how to put it in writing. :|

[xfilth]

An F0 is audible at just below 22hz and Meshuggah (among others) are doing it, so I wanted to try it out next time with huge-ass strings

Thanks guys, I will keep quad tracking in mind next time

[SettleMoore]

I like it man, I was listening to this song on the way home on xm and couldn't for the life of me remember the name lol. Meshuggah songs aren't in normal times all the time but they have a certain 'groove' to them if that makes sense, and I think you captured it pretty well

[pitiful]

Originally Posted by xfilth

An F0 is audible at just below 22hz and Meshuggah (among others) are doing it, so I wanted to try it out next time with huge-ass strings

Thanks guys, I will keep quad tracking in mind next time

I think Meshuggah's bass player plays in unison with the guitars. Not an octave lower.

[breadtruck]

Originally Posted by FOAM

I don't see the point of recording covers, making no alterations. Truly. Don't put vocals on it. What's the point?

People like you annoy me. "What's the point?"? Have you ever heard of "fun"? Some people like to record covers of songs because it's fun for them. I'm one of those people and agree that it's fun to try and mimic a certain tone, or to play a song that I like perfectly, just like it is on the record. It's a feeling of accomplishment and most of all it's fun.

But sure different people have different opinions, and some people think it's not fun to record covers. That's fine too; but you have to see that it becomes obnoxious when you try to force your opinion on other people.

Just because you don't see the point in someone recording a cover, doesn't mean that it's a fact that recording covers is pointless. It just means you have a different opinion. You should learn to differentiate between the two and respect other's opinions, just as I am respecting yours. I'm not criticising your opinion, i'm criticising your attitude. If you don't have anything positive to say, or any constructive criticism to give, then let me ask you "what's the point?" of even posting?

ON TOPIC : I liked the cover, and thought that tone was fine.

[FOAM]

Originally Posted by breadtruck

People like you annoy me. "What's the point?"? Have you ever heard of "fun"? Some people like to record covers of songs because it's fun for them. I'm one of those people and agree that it's fun to try and mimic a certain tone, or to play a song that I like perfectly, just like it is on the record. It's a feeling of accomplishment and most of all it's fun.

Read my third reply.
Excuse my ignorance, I have never felt the need to record a cover, so I don't understand how accomplishing and fun it would be. But wouldn't it be more fun and feel more accomplishing and productive to create something new?

Originally Posted by breadtruck

But sure different people have different opinions, and some people think it's not fun to record covers. That's fine too; but you have to see that it becomes obnoxious when you try to force your opinion on other people.

That was not my intent. I wanted to start a discussion.

Originally Posted by breadtruck

Just because you don't see the point in someone recording a cover, doesn't mean that it's a fact that recording covers is pointless. It just means you have a different opinion. You should learn to differentiate between the two and respect other's opinions, just as I am respecting yours. I'm not criticising your opinion, i'm criticising your attitude. If you don't have anything positive to say, or any constructive criticism to give, then let me ask you "what's the point?" of even posting?

I have never said that anything is a "fact". Everything I write on a forum is "in my opinion". I can respect yours too, but I don't understand some of the ideals on this forum. I needed to discharge. Of course, I could've made a new thread about this instead of brining it down on 'xfilth'. I can see how you think I'm being obnoxious.

[Diggy]

FOAM is certainly entitled to his opinion, but I see nothing wrong with this.. as far as the point of doing the cover.. I dont think there even needs to be one honestly. People do what they do cuz they want to.

As far as the sound goes.. decent.. but, Metallica is still bitching at each other over tracking, mixes, playing on albums that are over 20 years old!.. so, to each his own.

To me, life is too short to complain about everything I don't like about someones music.. or someone else's take on someone's music.

On another note, sorry man, no vox here

[breadtruck]

Originally Posted by FOAM

Read my third reply.
Excuse my ignorance, I have never felt the need to record a cover, so I don't understand how accomplishing and fun it would be. But wouldn't it be more fun and feel more accomplishing and productive to create something new?

This is kind of what I was getting at. I mean, you just said "wouldn't it be more fun and feel more accomplishing and productive to create something new?"; well, once again that's subjective. Some people might feel more accomplished from covering a song, as opposed to creating their own.

I know you never said anything was a fact, but it's just the way you type that it comes across as strongly opinionated, whether intentionally or not. And I agree with you that it's not fair to the OP for us to derail the thread, so I'ma discontinue posting now and let people get back on topic.

[FOAM]

Originally Posted by breadtruck

I know you never said anything was a fact, but it's just the way you type that it comes across as strongly opinionated, whether intentionally or not. And I agree with you that it's not fair to the OP for us to derail the thread, so I'ma discontinue posting now and let people get back on topic.

Oh, no. I'm often proven wrong, that's how I learn.

Originally Posted by breadtruck

This is kind of what I was getting at. I mean, you just said "wouldn't it be more fun and feel more accomplishing and productive to create something new?"; well, once again that's subjective. Some people might feel more accomplished from covering a song, as opposed to creating their own.

I think that is very backwards. I can't be alone here.

[November5th]

Good job on the cover.I am not big on covers either but if you had fun recording it than that is all that really matters.Perhaps from this you will find a singer and work on this song, and then some original material.Good luck.

[Alberto7]

I actually like this cover. I've never actually produced anything, but this sounds good to me. Perhaps the guitars lack a bit of balls (they lack that "oomph" that the originals have), but that might be fixable by doing the quad-tracking as has been suggested. Maybe someone that has experience in music production might be able to give you some more constructive criticism, but I liked this. Great job!

[xfilth]

Thanks for all the input!

And don't worry guys. 90% of my time spent on music is spent on original material with my two bands and some solo stuff in between

[ZOMB13]

.... that was good! snare could be a bit "fatter" but it works

Are we really getting into a "why do covers?" argument?

Who cares if your are doing covers or making originals, the point is to make music and have fun, I know people who have expensive gear and ALL they do is stay home on weekends and play Metallica covers because it fills them with joy and nostalgia.

Not everyone with a guitar is doing it to be a band, tour or even play with other people.

[xfilth]

Thanks man