[metalheadpunk]

Originally Posted by noodles

What is really scary is that if McCain wins, he will be more than likely appointing three new Supreme Court justices, two of whom will be replacing liberals.

shit i totally forgot about that. that might be the worst thing that will happen if mccain is elected, because it affects things for the next 20+ years.

[Randy]

Well, lately, McCain makes headlines every time he says anything less than 'totally-aligned-with-GWB' or 'not completely conservative'. And between believing Clinton's charges that Obama's unfit, the whisper campaigning, and the "McCain's not totally right wing' headlines; Democratic voters are saying a lot of things that'll look foolish in November.

One good look at McCain, his history, his salespitch (in FULL), along with his supporters, and if becomes readily apparent that he'd just be the latest manifestation of GOP insider rule. I totally believe that the DNC will cast the light on that once all this petty primary shit is done, and most of those "Clinton or McCain" Democrats will follow.

[noodles]

Originally Posted by metalheadpunk

any true democrats will quickly realize voting for mccain would be ridiculous

We're not talking about Democrats, though. We're talking about the people in the middle. Remember, a significant chunk of Clinton supporters are the independent voters who voted for Bill Clinton the first time around.

[metalheadpunk]

Originally Posted by noodles

We're not talking about Democrats, though. We're talking about the people in the middle. Remember, a significant chunk of Clinton supporters are the independent voters who voted for Bill Clinton the first time around.

Independent voters favor Obama by a 2 to 1 margin over Hillary – 49% to 24% – according to a NBC/WSJ poll taken after the Jeremiah Wright scandal in late March. His approval rating among Republicans is almost twice Hillary’s as well – 19% to 10%.

[Codyyy]

That's it. There should be an IQ test or something that you have to take before you can register to vote. Turn away all people with below-average intelligence.

[noodles]

Originally Posted by Codyyy

That's it. There should be an IQ test or something that you have to take before you can register to vote. Turn away all people with below-average intelligence.

We tried that. The states were using it to discriminate against black voters by asking them far more difficult question, keeping them from voting.

[Codyyy]

Originally Posted by noodles

We tried that. The states were using it to discriminate against black voters by asking them far more difficult question, keeping them from voting.

Wait, really? I never knew something like that was in place.

That's terrible though

[noodles]

Disfranchisement after the Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Drew]

Originally Posted by metalheadpunk

Independent voters favor Obama by a 2 to 1 margin over Hillary – 49% to 24% – according to a NBC/WSJ poll taken after the Jeremiah Wright scandal in late March. His approval rating among Republicans is almost twice Hillary’s as well – 19% to 10%.

But what happens when you throw McCain into the mix? He's also popular with independants...

No shock on Hillary's GOP approval - she's always been demonized - but I'm surprised Obama is so low. It was a LOT higher before Hillary went negative.

[ElRay]

Originally Posted by noodles

This is why I hate the two party system.

Technically, we don't have a two-party system. The Republicrats have stacked the laws in thier favor, the media and courts (often, but not always) play along and the vast majority of Americans are intellectually lazy.

Everybody that feels that we we never see any real improvement given the current system, should do something about it. Don't vote Republicrat. That's one of the biggest things you can do. When they see they're losing votes, they will change. When others see that non-Republicrat votes are increasing, they'll change. Supporting the status quo is not going to have produce any effects.

Don't tolerate shoddy news coverage. That's the second best thing you can do. When the media ignores the non-mainstream candidates (e.g. you liked Ron Paul or Mike Gravel during the primaries), complain. When the big two have been decided, and the 3rd Parties are getting the shaft with news coverage, write the editors, bitch on their forums, etc..

Regarding the "wasted vote" nonsense Republicrats will tell you, unless the decision in you state is decided by only a few votes, your vote was wasted. Heck, mathematically, if the decision in your state wasn't decided by one vote, your vote on the lesser of two evils was wasted. I can understand being relieved that you voted for your preferred lesser of two evils, if they won by only a few hundred, but when the difference is thousands to tens of thousands, your vote made no difference. I personally still feel that is a wasted vote (unless you actually like one of the Republicrats you voted for) because you will never change anything if you keep supporting the status quo.

Anytime you hear somebody say that they're not voting because both flavors of Republicrat turns them off, work on them to find a 3rd Party Candidate to vote for, or get them to just lodge a protest vote for any and all non-Republicrats on the ballot. Even better, know a bit about all the 3rd Party Candidates on your local ballot and offer suggestions. Every little bit helps. If we could get a decent percentage of these non-voters to vote 3rd Party, you'd see a huge difference.

Work to get the election laws in your state fixed so they're not stacked against the 3rd Parties. If you've got the time, etc., take any organization that is spending NONpartisan funds in a BIpartisan manner to court. If you can't do that, take it to the media, take it to family, fiends, anybody that will listen, etc..

Sure, we'll likely not see any major results in the national elections this time around, but you have to start. There has been a tremendous growth in 3rd Party elected officials at the local and state levels. If everybody that is fed-up with the Republicrats did something, the progress will continue and accelerate. If people just bitch and support the status quo, nothing will change. You have to do something and expect to be in this for the long haul.

This is one thing that will bug me about not being in country during the election season. I will not have the opportunity to do my usual "protesting" about the Republicrat-biased election system we have.

Ray

Originally Posted by metalheadpunk

but with how many idiots there are who refuse to see the true colors of the GOP that's how it will be.

The same can be said about the Democrats too. With the GOP, you at least know what you're getting. To quote Utah Phillips, "Voting for a Republican is like voting for a refrigerator. The light goes on, the light goes off. It's not going to do anything it's not programmed to do."

There's just so much more hypocrisy, flip-flopping, ineffective saber rattling, endless committees, studies, etc. on the Democrats side. Again, to quote Utah Phillips, "Voting for a Democrat is like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic."

The big advantage of voting Democrat (at the national level at least), is that they tend to be ineffective either way, so it's harder for them to really hurt or help.

Ray