[noodles]

Originally Posted by BigM555

Nice idea but I think you'd have been left with the political and religious equivalent of modern day Iraq where several factions continue to battle it out and re-draw territorial lines on an ever changing map of the country.

Keep in mind that our country was a far different place back then. The Civil War was the dividing line between a voluntary union of independent states, and a strong central government that forces their collective will upon the states. The system of government that the framers envisioned died that decade.

[Lee]

I'm still trying to get a concrete reason out of my parents why they're going to vote for Mccain. The most I got out of my dad was "they don't do what they say", which granted is true for some politicians, but I think it shows a lot of the disenfranchisement that people have. Not that my parents care about politics though

[Leon]

Originally Posted by darren

Further proof that the separation of church and state is dead in the United States of America.

What a sad state of affairs.

this is what happens when people start giving up liberty for security. they get eased into a state where they start believing what others tell them, and stop thinking for themselves.

as it's been said, those who give up liberty for security deserve neither.

[newamerikangospel]

Originally Posted by Popsyche

I'd way rather have a real, peaceful Muslim than a half-witted right-wing Christian which believes every word of the Bible lock, stock and barrel.

The muslim beleive is based from Chrisitianity....

*forgot to say

To my knowledge, and from every peice of islamic religious documentation I have been able to read.

[ohio_eric]

In America if you repeat the lie loud enough and often enough people will believe it. For example, lots of people think George Bush is a Texan. When in fact he was born in Connecticut and went to Ivy Legaue schools. But the bullshit was spread so thick and so few people fact check anything , including and most frustratingly the media, that shit like that lives. Just like Obama is a Muslim.

As someone who has dealt with these people on a regualr basis the best tactic is to stick to the facts and remain calm. Once you get into a shouting match filled with innusendo and bullshit it's all over. You might as well be yelling apple pie recipes at each other.

In so far as agnostics go I have no problem with them. At least they know they might be wrong. I'm a practicing Catholic and I'll admit I could be wrong. I have no proof only faith and that doesn't make for a really good argument but this is the choice I have made and I'm happy with it. As long as you're open to ideas and don't look down on others ideas it's all good. This is my main complaint with a lot of atheists and fundamentalists. They presume correctness and everyone else just sucks. It's a dangerous place to put yourself.

I have learned to divied the world up much as Arlo Guthrie did into two camps. Those who give a damn and those who don't.

[noodles]

Originally Posted by ohio_eric

In America if you repeat the lie loud enough and often enough people will believe it. For example, lots of people think George Bush is a Texan. When in fact he was born in Connecticut and went to Ivy Legaue schools. But the bullshit was spread so thick and so few people fact check anything , including and most frustratingly the media, that shit like that lives. Just like Obama is a Muslim.

Ever notice that the southern drawl comes and goes, depending on who he is talking to and what he is trying to accomplish?

This is the problem with democracy at such a large scale. The majority deserves the government that they get, but the minority gets stuck with it, too.

[ElRay]

Originally Posted by ohio_eric

This is my main complaint with a lot of atheists and fundamentalists. They presume correctness and everyone else just sucks.

Atheists at least have logic to back themselves up , but I've never seen an atheist try to save anybody. I've only seen atheists in "presume correctness and everyone else just sucks" mode in response to Christians trying to force their view upon others and/or justify their self-absorbed actions through religion.

Ray

[dpeterson]

Originally Posted by TheMissing

I would like to take the time to quote my mom from yesterday...





This is why we need superdelegates to sway votes, because some people are fucking stupid.

she's not an idiot.. she's your mom, show some respect for christs sake.

dave

[Metal Ken]

Originally Posted by eleven59

I still don't get why some people are so offended by agnostics, calling them fence-sitters or things like that. I'd consider myself an agnostic, and I'd consider myself anything but a fence-sitter. I'm very firm in my beliefs, and that belief is that we don't know anything, and I'm open to any ideas, without being so arrogant as to claim that what I think is 100% right, and everyone should think like me.

I've never seen a militant agnostic before

[noodles]

Originally Posted by dpeterson

she's not an idiot.. she's your mom, show some respect for christs sake.

dave

She's acting like an idiot, so why should he respect that? By the way, your keyboard has a shift key for capitalizing words at the beginning of sentences.

Dave