[Lee]

Originally Posted by courtney2018

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So are baseball bats, knives, cars, trucks, motorcycles, shovels, rakes, ....do I need to go on?

If you want to commit a criminal act bad enough, not having a gun isn't going to stop you. As long as you have some advantage over your victim, nothing will stop them. You can use almost anything as a weapon and believe me, not having a gun isn't going to stop someone from not finding a suitable replacement very quickly.

[arktan]

Originally Posted by courtney2018

So are baseball bats, knives, cars, trucks, motorcycles, shovels, rakes, ....do I need to go on?

Do you blame a car or the people that made a car that goes 120mph for fun, loses control, crosses the median and fatally hits 10 cars on the other side? Or do you blame the driver? Would you say that car makers shouldn't make a car that can go over 70mph?, or 50mph?

It's not the inanimate object that's bad. It's the dumbass people that use them that makes bad things happen with it.

I could bash your head in with a set-top DVD player and kill you. Would people blame the DVD player maker for making such a large player, or would people blame me for committing the murder?

I think people need to start holding people accountable for their actions instead of the objects that they use to do those actions. We've got a president in the White House that's not accountable. We've got corrupt cops that aren't accountable and get paid administrative leave when they break the law. We've got corrupt politicians that aren't accountable for their political misdeeds, sex scandals, and money laundering, so they get to retire with full benefits when they get caught red-handed. It's the people that are responsible. IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS. NOTHING ELSE AND NO ONE ELSE! Quit blaming something that can't speak back and blame the people that are responsible...THAT ARE ACCOUNTABLE. ...if that word even exists anymore.

You are right. No argue with that but you have to admit that cars, knives, trucks, shovels and rubber ducks weren't developed for killing. And you don't wanna tell me that a M16A4 or a G36C or K or the standard version or an AK74 or 47 are designed for sports or self defense against criminals at home (those rifles are pretty accurate up to 500 meters..... well scratch that, i mean those rifles with exception of the AK's )
If you kill someone with the DVD-Player, your action of murder is the thing in question and not the player because it wasn't designed for killing. If you put your cat in your microwave, it's your action and not the microwave which is criminal.... i agree on that one with you but:
People are accountable for creating weapons and the creation of weapons is a crime in the eyes of many victims. Why use the breed of crime and say that it has to be treated the same like a DVD-Player? In that case you should also try to legalize all the drugs because it's just what we do with them that's bad and not their effects....

It is NOT my intention to offend somebody so if something's wrong with the text above, please tell me..

cheers

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Originally Posted by arktan

No argue with that but you have to admit that cars, knives, trucks, shovels and rubber ducks weren't developed for killing.

That was my point, thank you. Of course you can kill with a shovel or a freakin' apple, but a gun was designed to kill and nothing else. Not to shoot clay pigeons.

Originally Posted by courtney2018

It's not the inanimate object that's bad. It's the dumbass people that use them that makes bad things happen with it.

And again, that's what i've been saying : make the object unavailable and there will be no chances that dumbass people will make bad things happen with it.

... And by the way, no need to "speak" with capitals.

[courtney2018]

They are "unavailable" to people in the UK if you're a law abiding citizen. If you're a criminal in a back alley somewhere you can probably pick up a gun. With the exception of rifles, guns are banned...not allowed. Even getting a rifle you have to jump thru alot of legal hoops, but yet there are crimes committed everyday in the UK somewhere that involves a gun.

What you want can not be done. There are literally billions of guns on our planet. In order to make them unavailable you'd have to destroy every last gun on the Earth. How could anyone possibly do that?

But lets say you limit the people that can get guns. How do you do that? You use permitting and licensing. My background information and finger prints are in more US Federal offices right now than I can count. I'm permitted and licensed to own, carry and keep firearms. Since I'm not a cop does this make me less deserving or own and carry a gun? Would it be better if only cops could carry guns? Cause I'll tell you....you show me one criminal that's committed a crime with a gun and I'll show you two cops that's done it too.

[Stitch]

Originally Posted by courtney2018

They are "unavailable" to people in the UK if you're a law abiding citizen. If you're a criminal in a back alley somewhere you can probably pick up a gun.

I think you overestimate the black market in the UK. Getting a gun would be quite a challenge. I know because I know people who know people. And I've asked before, out of curiosity.

Originally Posted by courtney2018

With the exception of rifles, guns are banned...not allowed. Even getting a rifle you have to jump thru alot of legal hoops, but yet there are crimes committed everyday in the UK somewhere that involves a gun.

I'm a)interested to see your source for that, or is it just presumption? and b)assuming for a second its true the ratio of crimes with a gun per person compared to the USA will be STAGGERING, I guarantee you.

Make guns easy to get in the UK and I PROMISE that our crime rates would go through the roof.

Originally Posted by courtney2018

What you want can not be done. There are literally billions of guns on our planet. In order to make them unavailable you'd have to destroy every last gun on the Earth. How could anyone possibly do that?

You're right. And AIDS is a pandemic. Hundreds of people have it, and we haven't found a cure. Instead of destroying them or helping them, lets just throw up our hands and go "hey, whatever" and leave it on its own. We can't do anything about it anyway.

Originally Posted by courtney2018

But lets say you limit the people that can get guns.

But WHY?!

Originally Posted by courtney2018

Would it be better if only cops could carry guns?

Most coppers on the UK don't carry firearms - indeed, you really only see them on special deployment around things like the Queen's parades and in the subways after 7/7.

[METAL_ZONE]

Originally Posted by lordofthesewers

it happens only in Kansas City

I live in Kansas City.

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Originally Posted by courtney2018

What you want can not be done.

Well of course, it will never happen. Especially with that "i love my guns and my life is better with them" attitude.

[courtney2018]

Originally Posted by Stitch

But WHY?!

Originally Posted by playstopause

Well of course, it will never happen. Especially with that "i love my guns and my life is better with them" attitude.

I've got the perfect solution for the both of you. Take all that enthusiasm and do something about it. Go on a world wide mission and rid our planet of all the guns. The world will be a better place without them.

[Stitch]

Apathy.

[telecaster90]

Originally Posted by ohio_eric

He didn't live alone. He lived with his wife until he shot her.