[TheMissing]

Originally Posted by arktan

By the way: I'm talking about Assault rifles and handguns here and the self given right and judgement to posess firearms..... Everybody who's eager to hold a gun in his hands has probably never seen what it can do to bodies and families and these persons probably also never experienced a blood rush (which is part of our defensive instincts). You guys simply watched too much movies. How many of you guys ever had to use a weapon in self defense?

No offense intended guys. if you are offended, please tell me what it was

No offense taken.

But.

I know full well what a gun can do to a person, as well as animals. And what do you mean by "What they can do to families"? My dad has two shotguns, a .22, and a .45 revolver. They've ALWAYS been in my house (when my parents were together) and my 'almost' step dad who lives with us now has more rifles and shotguns than I can count. Our family is doing just fine thank you.

You're assuming that people who posess guns are either keeping them on their person at all times for self defense purposes. This is just simply not true. I plan on owning a .22 (for taget shooting) and a Shotgun (for hunting). And eventually want some type of handgun for range use. Will I ever carry these on me? Not a chance. They will be locked up in a 4" steel safe unless I plan to transport them in a locked case in the back of my car to whereever i'm hunting/shooting.

So tell me, does me wanting a gun make me evil or something? I know full well the consequences of using a gun for anything but the purposes I stated above, and will never use them otherwise.

Not all gun owners are cowboys and criminals.

[courtney2018]

Originally Posted by playstopause

I believe that first step in changing things is a change of attitude, a change on how we see things.

My viewpoint on this is based entirely on reality. What you want is not only completely impossible and unrealistic.

An old addage my grandmother would sometimes say to me, "You can want in one hand and shit in the other see which one fills up faster." I'm not trying to be rude to you. It's just a saying is all. It's nice to want to rid the earth of all weapons, stand around the campfire and sing Kumbiya, but the reality of this is it will never happen.

You want to change the world? By all means, go for it! And when you accomplish that task come back to me and tell me "I told you so!".

[courtney2018]

Originally Posted by TheMissing

Not all gun owners are cowboys and criminals.

I don't know. Cowboys had guns. You've got a gun. Looks like a duck, walks like a duck....must be a duck. You must be a cowboy.

Yippee-Ki-Yea Mutha-Fucka!

[playstopause]

Originally Posted by Naren

... but I think that was Courtney simply stated a sad truth about the world.

True, i know. And we ain't doing much about it, like many other things. We're just so self-destructive. I guess i'm just rebelling against it.

Originally Posted by courtney2018

My viewpoint on this is based entirely on reality. What you want is not only completely impossible and unrealistic.

An old addage my grandmother would sometimes say to me, "You can want in one hand and shit in the other see which one fills up faster." I'm not trying to be rude to you. It's just a saying is all. It's nice to want to rid the earth of all weapons, stand around the campfire and sing Kumbiya, but the reality of this is it will never happen.

You want to change the world? By all means, go for it! And when you accomplish that task come back to me and tell me "I told you so!".

I'm well aware what i'm saying is an utopia. Thing is, i believe that first step in failing is saying "we can't change things" and "this will never happen". But that's just me.

Again, different country, different culture, different values.

[arktan]

Originally Posted by TheMissing

No offense taken.

But.

I know full well what a gun can do to a person, as well as animals. And what do you mean by "What they can do to families"? My dad has two shotguns, a .22, and a .45 revolver. They've ALWAYS been in my house (when my parents were together) and my 'almost' step dad who lives with us now has more rifles and shotguns than I can count. Our family is doing just fine thank you.

You're assuming that people who posess guns are either keeping them on their person at all times for self defense purposes. This is just simply not true. I plan on owning a .22 (for taget shooting) and a Shotgun (for hunting). And eventually want some type of handgun for range use. Will I ever carry these on me? Not a chance. They will be locked up in a 4" steel safe unless I plan to transport them in a locked case in the back of my car to whereever i'm hunting/shooting.

So tell me, does me wanting a gun make me evil or something? I know full well the consequences of using a gun for anything but the purposes I stated above, and will never use them otherwise.

Not all gun owners are cowboys and criminals.

I never said that all gun-owners were cowboys or/and criminals...
but nonetheless: on that point i completely agree with you.
Wanting a gun doesn't make you necessarilly evil but you won't tell me that you didn't have this power-surge when you held your first in your hands...
And you probably agree with me when i say taht not everybody should hold a weapon in her/his hands. You are using your guns for sports and for hunting...
Well i'm in a sword-fighting club. That's all sports. For the hunting side of the whole thing: A deer or a rabbit who gets shot in the wild dies much better than a cow in a slaughterhouse...... i know it sounds brutal but on this point i don't accept ANY criticism from someone who eats meat. Only vegetarians may call me an asshole on that one.
I am talking about using guns in order of self-defense on the street or against humans. Yes, against humans. That's where most self-righteous dudettes/dudes say: "He broke into my house so i simply had the right to shoot him, ugly motherfucker." and in most of those cases the robbers weren't even armed but still dead....... so much for respecting human life: "My property against your life....hmmm.... i guess it was a bad day for you, motherfucker. I'm gonna keep it short, prepare to receive a magazine in your head! mwahahahaha"
If the robbers are armed then it is a different story but if you posess a weapon and can't distinguish then you shouldn't be able to obtain it.
I'm not demonizing cops, sportshooters, hunters and so on....
And still there were no replies:How many of you had to use a gun in self defense?

Like before: no offense intended

[Mattmc74]

Originally Posted by courtney2018

Sure they do. And in the car and on your person.






Abso-fucking-lutely! About the only thing that Florida is good about is the homeowner has the right to use deadly force if anyone breaks in whether or not they're displaying a weapon. Although I'd rather not shoot someone in my house. Blood is hell to get up out of carpets and walls.






I think of gun control as using 2 hands and hitting your target. And, don't put your finger on the trigger unless you intend on pulling it.

[JBroll]

Originally Posted by playstopause

Reading 101 : If you'd read correctly, it was Courtney that spoke about cavemen. I was just refering to her post. Ok? Thanks.

Did I miss the part where she compared you to one, or did you miss what I was actually saying?

Jeff

[TheMissing]

Originally Posted by arktan

I never said that all gun-owners were cowboys or/and criminals...

Never said you did, I was just making my own silly point, wasn't calling you our or anything

but nonetheless: on that point i completely agree with you.
Wanting a gun doesn't make you necessarilly evil but you won't tell me that you didn't have this power-surge when you held your first in your hands...

'Powersurge'? Meaning like I felt powerful? Or that It was kinda like "Hey this is kinda neat." Because the first time I fired a gun (BB gun) I hit a soda can off in the back yard, and was like "Yay!" As if I had just won a game or something, but I didn't feel 'powerful.' And my dad gave me a lecture about the seriousness of guns (even the BB gun!) and made sure I understood that I was to shoot NOTHING else but the cans, and to never point it at someone. So yeah, I got a good talk in responsibility that I carry with me to this day. And the first time I held a real gun (Shotgun) It did put a smile on my face, and when I took my first shot at a clay pigeon I was first shocked by the kick, then felt happy.

BUT!!

That's not because I was holding a gun. It was the same feeling I get when I first held a guitar, or drove my first car. It's just something that I like to do

And you probably agree with me when i say taht not everybody should hold a weapon in her/his hands. You are using your guns for sports and for hunting...
Well i'm in a sword-fighting club. That's all sports.

The only swords I have are those Navy Seal ones my uncle left for me when he died. I don't see any practical use for swords(except maybe opening boxes in an epic picstory), but don't see harm in having them, the same as guns. Hell, I have a dagger on my wall, because it looks badass.

For the hunting side of the whole thing: A deer or a rabbit who gets shot in the wild dies much better than a cow in a slaughterhouse...... i know it sounds brutal but on this point i don't accept ANY criticism from someone who eats meat. Only vegetarians may call me an asshole on that one.

I am talking about using guns in order of self-defense on the street or against humans. Yes, against humans. That's where most self-righteous dudettes/dudes say: "He broke into my house so i simply had the right to shoot him, ugly motherfucker." and in most of those cases the robbers weren't even armed but still dead....... so much for respecting human life: "My property against your life....hmmm.... i guess it was a bad day for you, motherfucker. I'm gonna keep it short, prepare to receive a magazine in your head! mwahahahaha"
If the robbers are armed then it is a different story but if you posess a weapon and can't distinguish then you shouldn't be able to obtain it.
I'm not demonizing cops, sportshooters, hunters and so on....
And still there were no replies:How many of you had to use a gun in self defense?

I've never had to shoot in self defense (not even from say... A bear ) But I would hope to never be in a situation. Just to give my thoughts on a hypothetical situation... If I was out hunting with someone, and they deliberately took a shot at me, I would do all I could to dis-arm him before I resorted to something like popping him in the leg. I would never shoot to kill. I don't even know if i'm capable of killing a deer for when I plan to go hunting. Time will tell on that one. I'm a softee, what can I say?

Like before: no offense intended

And none taken.

Originally Posted by courtney2018

I don't know. Cowboys had guns. You've got a gun. Looks like a duck, walks like a duck....must be a duck. You must be a cowboy.

Yippee-Ki-Yea Mutha-Fucka!

+1 rep for that!

[playstopause]

Originally Posted by JBroll

Did I miss the part where she compared you to one, or did you miss what I was actually saying?

Jeff

You missed the part where i said that it's attitudes like that that keeps us at cavemen level. Did not say she was a cavemen. You're her lawyer or what? She answered my posts very well and all by herself.

[Mattmc74]

Originally Posted by arktan

I never said that all gun-owners were cowboys or/and criminals...
but nonetheless: on that point i completely agree with you.
Wanting a gun doesn't make you necessarilly evil but you won't tell me that you didn't have this power-surge when you held your first in your hands...
And you probably agree with me when i say taht not everybody should hold a weapon in her/his hands. You are using your guns for sports and for hunting...
Well i'm in a sword-fighting club. That's all sports. For the hunting side of the whole thing: A deer or a rabbit who gets shot in the wild dies much better than a cow in a slaughterhouse...... i know it sounds brutal but on this point i don't accept ANY criticism from someone who eats meat. Only vegetarians may call me an asshole on that one.
I am talking about using guns in order of self-defense on the street or against humans. Yes, against humans. That's where most self-righteous dudettes/dudes say: "He broke into my house so i simply had the right to shoot him, ugly motherfucker." and in most of those cases the robbers weren't even armed but still dead....... so much for respecting human life: "My property against your life....hmmm.... i guess it was a bad day for you, motherfucker. I'm gonna keep it short, prepare to receive a magazine in your head! mwahahahaha"
If the robbers are armed then it is a different story but if you posess a weapon and can't distinguish then you shouldn't be able to obtain it.
I'm not demonizing cops, sportshooters, hunters and so on....
And still there were no replies:How many of you had to use a gun in self defense?

Like before: no offense intended

I had to use a gun in self defense one time. TRUE STORY!

I heard some noise coming from my living room when I was just getting ready to go to bed. I peaked out my door and saw someone trying to open a window. I grabbed my shotgun and went out into the living room while my wife called 911. When I got back out to the living room he was just getting in the window. I racked my gun (pump shot gun) the noise scared him and he said don't shoot me. I told him I called the cops and said not to move.
The police were there in 3 minutes flat. After he was arrested the police found a stolen- loaded handgun in his pocket. No shots were ever fired and no one was ever hurt.
When I was at his trail, I found out that the gun the police found on him was stolen from a cops house down in Detroit. And he was wanted for questioning about a murder in Detroit as well.
A year or so later he was convicted and got life in prison for that murder down in detroit. I'm glad I had my gun that day! Who knows what could have happened.