[distressed_romeo]

7DT and Lozek are right that the UK papers are frequently prone to scare-mongering to sell papers, but this could actually endanger peoples' lives if it's not dealt with, so right now it's not just a case of a wrongful dismisal case that'll be forgotten in a few months.

[Mastodon]

Originally Posted by JJ Rodriguez

Fine, they can have that right, as long as I have the right to not have them work on me if I need medical attention. Also, the Muslim Medical Association, in order to conform to MY wishes, will have to pay for a medic alert bracelet that says "No Muslim female doctors".

This is almost exactly what I was thinking, except for the bracelet part. That's brilliant.

[Stitch]

Originally Posted by distressed_romeo

7DT and Lozek are right that the UK papers are frequently prone to scare-mongering to sell papers, but this could actually endanger peoples' lives if it's not dealt with, so right now it's not just a case of a wrongful dismisal case that'll be forgotten in a few months.

Thats it though. It'll all be frgotten unless people make a huge fuss of it in the first place.

Originally Posted by Lozek

You all raise good points & I totally agree with the basis of what you are saying. However, there is one thing to bear in mind. All of the stories that have been referenced here, you have read in the paper. If you have read through any UK paper here in the last couple of years, they have been brimming with Anti-Islamic sentiment.

I think you read the Amil to much, my friend.

Originally Posted by Lozek

Whilst I don't in any way excuse events like the tube bombings etc, the media are utterly aware of the heightened level of Anti-Islamic sensitivity within the minds of the average UK citizen, so any small thing that they can pick up & run with will keep the enraged UK citizen buying their newspaper/visiting their website(viewing the embedded advertising).

You have to question, how many other important newsworthy items have been shunted lower on the agenda, to blow up a possibly microscopic issue involving 1/2 people that is current in the mind of he reader?

I think theses are valid points but really point more towards a convoluted media that is scare mongering than much to do with this article...to me it seems far more important to sort out this issue of not 'offending muslims' versus not spreading one of the most efficient and brutal killers in hospitals of the last few years.

Originally Posted by 7 Dying Trees

- I somehow think that with the worst record in europe on MRSA that the demands of a few people will just be completely ignored in this case, as it has to happen. Employing someone else or paying someone a few grand for unfair dismissal no matter how wrong it is instead of getting a 1/2 million pound lawsuit for neglicence looks a lot better on the balance sheet.

While I'd love to agree with you, I honestly don't see this being laid to rest. I'd love to think the NHS will just go "Fine, fuck off then!" but with all the PC shit from the government, pressure groups, and the muslim community themselves it could be very hard. Did you see yesterdays headlines, James? About the fact that some agency nurses and doctors are being paid as much as £122 an hour because of the lack of staff in the NHS? Or that the NHS considered raising the typical nurse salary from £14.33 to encourage more people to take it up as a profession, but decided that they couldn't afford it, and that it got in the way of targets?



Targets were the worst thing that ever happened to the NHS - that, IMO, is one of the biggest reasons for the state it is in today.

Originally Posted by 7 Dying Trees

- Medicine is not about religion, in fact, if religion had been allowed it's hold on science, then no modern medicine would be possible, go read about the middle/dark ages. Hence religion and medicine which is, like it or not, a science, will never mix. (yeah yeah, god didn't make those medicines, some kid with years of studying molecules did, and this goes for all faiths)

I think its less about medicine vs. religion and more about the Muslim community really wanting everything twisted there way, regardless of the thing they all seem to lack.

COMMON SENSE.

Originally Posted by 7 Dying Trees

- All these stories get reported just to incite anger as pointed out by lozek. In anyone's daily life it really does not matter. Personally, if i got treated by someone wearing sleeves in hospital I'd just refuse on grounds of not wanting to end up dead or a spastic because of lack of hygene

It puts it in the public domain. I don't pay attention during operational procedures, In my experience, by the time you are in the theatre you're already completely out of it on morphine or anaesthetics.

I've missed whoever it was who made the point about the Muslim community really wanting EVERYTHING there way, and constantly making out to be horribly victimised in a country that treat them FAR BETTER than they are in their 'native countries' (in quotes as some are, of course, UK-nationals).

At the end of the day, much like the hospitals should, I honestly feel we just went "Don't like it? Piss off." - not because I think we should stop caring because its 'better' than their home countries and that is acceptable, but because, in many, not all instances, I honestly feel they already get a better deal than 'normal' citizens. (Again, normal used to say the way the rest of the country is treated, so I'm using normal as a collective term for how the massive are treated - I'm not saying 'normal' to insinuate the muslim community are in anyway deformed or ill)

School uniforms, the arguments on veils etc. are all examples of this. I honestly think its time to tell them to buck up.

If a woman working for BA can be asked to remove her crucifix so as not to 'offend customers' then I think its NIGH ON TIME that we asked Muslims to remove their covering in jobs where they truly are not appropriate.

Everyone has to make sacrifices in the UK, but I've yet to see the Muslim community give up ANYTHING, and I think people are starting to resent that.

[Lozek]

Originally Posted by Stitch

I think you read the Amil to much, my friend.

Nope, I just work for the BBC, so thoughts about media bias (even unintentional, related to workloads) are always floating around my head when I hear people talking about contemporary issues & what sources they may have used as a basis to form their opinion.

Originally Posted by Stitch

to me it seems far more important to sort out this issue of not 'offending muslims' versus not spreading one of the most efficient and brutal killers in hospitals of the last few years.

No-one is disputing that, merely the way in which the media conveniently turn the blame to the biggest current hate figure, instead of pointing out that our government is doing a terrible job at resolving issues and our populace is not motivated enough to do anything other than idley moan.

Originally Posted by Stitch

Everyone has to make sacrifices in the UK, but I've yet to see the Muslim community give up ANYTHING, and I think people are starting to resent that.

Please quantify that, what sacrifices have you personally had to make in the UK? What is it that you feel the Muslims are getting in this country that you are not? How many Muslims have you personally had come up to you & moan about their treatment in the UK?

Alright, so I've gone way O/T here, I agree that anyone who works in a hospital should be first & foremost required to conform to hygiene standards. It's just the muddying of the waters & the unmitigated rage that people are starting to pour on 'Muslims' as a collective that astounds me. Humans are humans, some are fucktards, some are not.

[JJ Rodriguez]

No, we're all retarded. Some of just less so.

[Lozek]

Originally Posted by JJ Rodriguez

No, we're all retarded. Some of just less so.

Uh huh

[JJ Rodriguez]

Pffft, it's hardly a Canadian trait. I mean, we had to get it from somewhere

[Xtremevillan]

Originally Posted by Stitch

If a woman working for BA can be asked to remove her crucifix so as not to 'offend customers'

That is fucked up, and could be used to counter this...