[ohio_eric]

Originally Posted by noodles

Personally, I like Mike's solution: charge employers a $250,000 fine per incident. So, if a Wallmart gets caught employing ten illegal immigrants, than is $2,500,000 in fines.

No one would hire anyone illegal, since the cost would be too steep. The powers that be don't want to actually fix the problem, though.

[T_money419]

Originally Posted by Samer

One issue i would like brought up, why do neither Obama nor Hillary oppose the patriot act?

Anyone know? That's a pretty significant issue

[lordofthesewers]

Originally Posted by T_money419

Anyone know? That's a pretty significant issue

because that would be politically suicide for the general election. They BOTH know that, so they didn't throw that against each other, because that would make the democrats look weak among independents who are slightly liberal but voted for Bush in 2004, which was one of the factors for the Dubya's victory in 04

[Samer]

Originally Posted by lordofthesewers

because that would be politically suicide for the general election. They BOTH know that, so they didn't throw that against each other, because that would make the democrats look weak among independents who are slightly liberal but voted for Bush in 2004, which was one of the factors for the Dubya's victory in 04

In my opinion that patriot act should be the number one issue in this election, it has more impact than the war, health care, or the economy.

With the patriot act we are not free, and with no freedom the other things don't matter.

[ohio_eric]

As far as the Patriot Act goes both Clinton and Obama have supported it. If the Patriot Act is going to be abolished it's going to have to come out of Congress.

[Samer]

Originally Posted by ohio_eric

As far as the Patriot Act goes both Clinton and Obama have supported it. If the Patriot Act is going to be abolished it's going to have to come out of Congress.

Well hopefully it is, because the idea of being detained indefinitely, with no access to a lawyer is scarier than anything the terrorist could do.

[Naren]

Originally Posted by noodles

The point I was trying to make is, white Americans keeping out darker skinned Mexicans is a cruel twist of fate, since they have more of a right to be on this land than we do. They actually have their roots here, and they are only mixed with Spanish blood because they had no choice in the matter. A more technically advanced culture imposed their will upon them.

True. I agree with you there.